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Editor: simon
Time: 2007/08/31 00:28:02 GMT-7
Note: ZWiki 0.60rc1 released


From simon Fri Aug 31 00:27:58 -0700 2007
From: simon
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 00:27:58 -0700
Subject: ZWiki 0.60rc1 released
Message-ID: <20070831002758-0700@zwiki.org>
In-Reply-To: <20070824122610-0700@zwiki.org>

Since I'll be away on a roadtrip over the 1st, I have published a release candidate. Now is a great time to install it widely, test, report problems in the IssueTracker, send patches to DarcsRepos, clarify CHANGES, and update translations. The final release will go out next week.

The US celebrates `Labour Day <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_day>`_ on the wrong date, but never mind: Happy Labour Day Weekend all you workers! 

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strike through text in stx? --dmahler, Thu, 03 May 2007 09:06:58 -0700 reply

Is there some concise markup for <strike>xx</strike> in stx or do you have to write the full xml tags?

Zwiki bug day tomorrow --Simon Michael, Thu, 03 May 2007 13:00:22 -0700 reply

Friday may 4th is Zwiki Bugfix Day!

Drop by the #zwiki IRC channel any time on friday to help, hack, heckle, and join in the fun. http://zwiki.org/BugDay has more info. Hope to see you there!


BUG DAY, KnownIssues? poll --Simon Michael, Fri, 04 May 2007 12:28:55 -0700 reply

Hi all, Bug Day is in progress - remember to drop by #zwiki and tell us your favourite bugs..

Also: how many people use or did find useful the KnownIssues? page ? It is a manually updated summary of frequently-encountered issues, especially for new users who might not find things in the tracker. It hasn't been completely current for a while. Is it worth the work to keep it ?

BUG DAY --simon, Fri, 04 May 2007 22:18:09 -0700 reply

Some hours to go yet, but I am signing out. Good work on some tricky issues by betabug and myself, with excellent input from Wu, wlang, moral support from encolpe, and anyone else I may have missed. Thank You! Let's do it again the first friday of june.

**Hide FrontPage? from the URL when only domainname.com/ is entered ** --JózsefJároli, Mon, 14 May 2007 06:06:23 -0700 reply

for instance if you type zwiki.org/ in, then the URL will be zwiki.org/FrontPage? , but I would like keep the URL zwiki.org/ yet showing the FrontPage? This might be a simple question, but I couldn't figure out how to do it right, although I noticed that this works with Plone (with the default_page). What should I write in the index_html method to achieve this? Thanks!

**Hide FrontPage? from the URL when only domainname.com/ is entered ** --Michael Ang, Mon, 14 May 2007 06:21:31 -0700 reply

Why hide FrontPage? in URL? You may have problem hiding other pages in the url.

Hmmm --FrankLaurijssens?, Mon, 14 May 2007 08:18:31 -0700 reply

Comment subjects are no longer bold?

Hide FrontPage? from the URL when only domainname.com/ is entered --Simon Michael, Mon, 14 May 2007 08:25:05 -0700 reply

If it's just the front page, you can change the index_html DTML method - instead of redirecting, have it return the page contents directly. Something like:

<dtml-var "aq_parent.FrontPage(REQUEST=_.REQUEST)">

should do it.

**Hide FrontPage? from the URL when only domainname.com/ is entered ** --JózsefJároli, Mon, 14 May 2007 08:28:15 -0700 reply

Until there are only ASCII characters in the title of the default page, URLs? remain readable. Once the title of your Home Page has accented letters, then these default URLs? will be just too ugly to be displayed (e.g. Keresőoptimalizálás »» Keres_c5_91optimaliz_c3_a1l_c3_a1s ), that's the reason why I am looking for a solution for this. (sidenote: non-English speaking people often don't get the concept of what FrontPage? is, and sometimes my sites running with Zwiki and having a bold FrontPage? title on the home page were referred to as a site named 'FrontPage?') Also from a search engine optimisation perspective it is not ideal if your visitors start to link to your site as zwiki.org, zwiki.org/, zwiki.org/FrontPage?, because these sites are considered as different web pages to certain extent by search engines.

Hide FrontPage? from the URL when only domainname.com/ is entered --Simon Michael, Mon, 14 May 2007 09:00:35 -0700 reply

That's a good point about urls. We still need an improved canonicalIdFrom method that can substitute similar ascii letters for accented letters where possible, instead of the ugly hex codes. I think it was you that suggested this in the past ? That might help some. See http://zwiki.org/InternationalCharactersInPageNames and http://zwiki.org/736 . I'd love to make these urls better for non-ascii users - maybe some of you should club together and commit a few dollars towards funding the issue, which would allow me to work on it right away ?

I take your point about the different between zwiki.org, zwiki.org/, and FrontPage?, but.. I think search engines generally know at least the first two are the same - they're not going to visit both of those. And, I think it is more consistent and less confusing overall to always use the .../Page url. Otherwise, when someone hits the edit link it jumps from zwiki.org/ to zwiki.org/FrontPage?/editform , and both urls are exposed anyhow - it's better to pick one and use it consistently everywhere. The front page will work the same way as the others, you can more easily add things like /upgradeAll to the url manually, it's clear where to set permissions, etc.

That index_html trick should certainly allow you to customize the appearance of the initial url though. Apache rewrite rules would be another way.

Hide FrontPage? from the URL when only domainname.com/ is entered --JózsefJároli, Mon, 14 May 2007 09:31:07 -0700 reply

Thank you for the quick answer! Don't know why but somehow the above snippet didn't work, so I started to fiddle with it (without really having any clue about it :) and I found that this worked:

<dtml-var "FrontPage(REQUEST=REQUEST)">

Hope it won't break anything though:) Well, you are right, we shouldn't have this as a default method, but I think it is worth to mention this trick in the Cookbook and the pages dealing with Default Page concept (if you find this snippet OK).

Well, as for the accented letters' issue: yes, that was me :) As you can see the problem keeps on bugging me :), but since then the Plone folks have implemented an URL canonsation, which as far as I can tell works just great with quite a few languages, so perhaps the task is "only" to reuse the code already written for Plone. (which translates the Russian Изображение дня to izobrazhenie-dnya, the Hungarian A nap képe to a-nap-kepe for instance). How much would it cost (just a rough estimation) to develop this Plone function for Zwiki too (maintaining the backward compatibility with old-style encoded URL's)?

Thanks again, József

Thought for the day --FrankLaurijssens?, Sun, 20 May 2007 04:32:01 -0700 reply

I just created a page for Ben, and he wrote how he felt like today. The page currently is a subtopic of my own page in PeopleIndex?.

An interesting thought came up: should I reparent BenLaurijssens? to PeopleIndex?, leave FrankLaurijssens? as parent of BenLaurijssens? or should I move BenLaurijssens? to the SandBox? altogether?


Thought for the day --Simon Michael, Mon, 21 May 2007 13:44:08 -0700 reply

Welcome Ben, Charlotte. :) "Parent page" takes on a new meaning.

Thought for the day --betabug, Tue, 22 May 2007 04:03:23 -0700 reply

"Sandbox" too :-)

content order --Michael Ang, Thu, 24 May 2007 19:03:51 -0700 reply

How do I change the order of content like (subtopics links, main text, comments) instead of (main text, subtopics links, comments). I know I have to dig into content.pt -> options['body']?.

Main point is to move the subtopics group into another place. Thanks.

content order --Simon Michael, Thu, 24 May 2007 19:14:27 -0700 reply

That's currently pretty deeply hardcoded, indeed. Switching the first two items of:

return doc + self.renderMidsection(**kw) + discussion

in ZWikiPage?.renderMidsectionIn() might be enough.

But what I usually do, since I only occasionally want to show the subtopics in a different position, is enable DTML and add an explicit:

<dtml-var subtopics>

wherever I want it (in place of the default).

A third option, affecting all pages, is to add the subtopics call whever you want in one of the skin templates, eg in wikipage.pt:

<span tal:content="structure here/subtopics" />

and tell zwiki pages not to display subtopics themselves, by setting a show_subtopics folder property to 0.

Does this help ?

content order --Michael Ang, Thu, 24 May 2007 19:20:59 -0700 reply

Yes, exactly. I know about <dtml-var subtopics> but trying to avoid it (dtml). Thanks.

fixes --simon, Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:57:53 -0700 reply

Pardon our dust.. there have been some confusing issues with the site lately. #1358 is probably behind much of it. I have just updated the catalog to remove a phantom 1358 issue, and I will now fix the key error that's occuring on 1358 and 1359.

fixes --simon, Mon, 04 Jun 2007 12:49:24 -0700 reply

Phew! The phrase "all hell breaking loose" came to mind. The issue tracker and site is all straightened out now, and for the moment I'm not seeing more #1358 errors after turning off ZEO. I hope it stays away.

allow question marks in wiki names --val.cartei, Fri, 08 Jun 2007 06:59:28 -0700 reply

Hi, I noticed that if a try to name a page with a question mark, say "What is Wiki?", the system doesn't allow me to because of the question mark. How can I change that? I really hope you can help me! Cheers, Val

allow question marks in wiki names --Simon Michael, Mon, 11 Jun 2007 10:50:18 -0700 reply

val.cartei wrote: > Hi, I noticed that if a try to name a page with a question mark, say "What is Wiki?", the system doesn't allow me to because of the question mark.

Hello Val, this works fine for me at http://zwiki.org/TestPage . See if you can reproduce it there, perhaps by changing page type ? Also be sure you're not running some ancient zwiki version.

email out customization --val, Mon, 25 Jun 2007 03:32:53 -0700 reply

I'd like to customize the message that is sent to the subscribers to all edits of wiki pages. Currently they get the changes of the page they are subscribed to, but i would like to replace this with the following: user name (or anonymous if unknown user) has made changes to the [page title]? to see what's changed go to:

"[page URL]?/diff" (displayed as a link)

Is it possible to do this? Cheers, Val P.S. Thanks for the question marks answer, I found the bug and it was related to a previous customization I had made.

email out customization --Simon Michael, Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:52:32 -0700 reply

Val - sure, but you'll have to edit python code. See the call to send mail at the end of handleEditText in Editing.py.

catalog problem --magwas, Fri, 29 Jun 2007 07:36:08 -0700 reply

I am using BlogFace? with my wiki, which uses the zCatalog of the wiki. I noticed that sometimes new pages does not show up in the catalog. Even after doing a find by hand on the catalog. I do not know whether it is a zwiki or a zCatalog problem. Any solutions? The blogface: http://mag.webhome.hu/zope/magwas/blog A WikiPage? which does not show up: http://mag.webhome.hu/zope/magwas/K_c3_b6zbringaBanner The URL I am using to update the catalog by hand: http://mag.webhome.hu/zope/magwas/Catalog/manage_catalogFoundItems?obj_metatypes:list=ZWikiPage

catalog problem --Simon Michael, Fri, 29 Jun 2007 08:19:22 -0700 reply

Hi - set your event.log verbosity to BLATHER (http://wiki.zope.org/zope2/event.log) and watch it as you create pages. If cataloging fails you should get a traceback. Also check zwiki's recent changes to see if the page really has been cataloged or not.

greetings --simon, Sat, 14 Jul 2007 09:49:54 -0700 reply

Hello folks, this is just to let you know I am alive, well, and dipping my toe into the Zwiki mail/sysadmin/development work pile. If you sent me a mail, thanks for your patience.

epoz no longer available? --liamMT, Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:51:55 -0700 reply

I was just installing and playing around with Zwiki within my current Plone site, (which mostly seems great!), but I noticed that the only WYSIWYG editor that seems to be supported by Zwiki (Epoz) has fallen off the face of the earth. This is sort of a deal-breaker for me, unfortunately, since my site requires WYSIWYG functinoality. Is there any chance that any of the other Plone-supported editors will work with Zwiki in the near-ish future? Thanks!

epoz no longer available? --Simon Michael, Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:22:13 -0700 reply

Epoz is still downloadable and working for me.. I updated the link on http://wiki.zope.org/zope2/EpozX recently.

afk --Simon Michael, Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:23:11 -0700 reply

I'll be offline for the next week, and back in August. May your wikis run smoothly!

Best - Simon

re : epoz no longer available - liamMT --nd51, Mon, 23 Jul 2007 01:49:37 -0700 reply

Epoz 2.0.2 works fine with ZWiki? in Plone 2.1.x and Plone 2.5.x (haven't tested 3.x). Although Epoz appears in the list of installable products in Plone, you don't need to install it in Plone, as Epoz is a Zope product. In fact I recommend do not click the install button in Plone as it could fight with Kupu. We've had in production for almost 2 years now, ZWiki? with Epoz 2.0.2, and Kupu being used for all other WYSYWIG editing in Plone. Works fine, and so does the link Simon pointed to. Good luck

Plone 3 wiki support --DeanG?, Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:15:09 -0700 reply


I'm puzzled (and annoyed, more later) by this feature. It seems they're adding WikiLinking? support across documents. Bravo! But why the "without the wiki aftertaste" smite? I'm guessing they need to remove the Wiki buzzword and replace it with WikiLink?. But even there, the second complaint I've come to know from wikis (first:structure) has been: Knowing WikiNames? when editing documents. It's not a taste, but a smell. I wonder how they'll approach that one. I guess it's all in the vernaculars. Happy Friday.

page history --Adaptive, Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:57:50 -0700 reply

I have installed the latest Zwiki version, but I get the page history with the prev and next buttons instead of the numbered navigation that is displayed in this website. Also, the difftext is rendered with the html tags. Any ideas?

page history --betabug, Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:50:37 -0700 reply

Zwiki.org is running code from the darcs repository, while you downloaded 0.59. Sometimes "latest" isn't latest :-) The code in darcs has numerous changes in respect to the page history. At some point we will have a new release, otherwise you could try getting the code from darcs if you like to experiment, see DarcsRepos?.

page history --Simon Michael, Wed, 01 Aug 2007 14:12:59 -0700 reply

Yes, the release process stalled after 0.59 and so that release is unusually far behind the latest darcs repository. Sorry about that.

Plone 3 wiki support --Simon Michael, Wed, 01 Aug 2007 14:25:36 -0700 reply

I guess we need to resolve #1322 and then I could talk to limi about rewording this a bit. We want Zwiki running smoothly on latest Plone again, and to remain as a known alternative folk who need a full-blown wiki in plone.

FYI: domain renewal in progress --Simon Michael, Fri, 03 Aug 2007 12:16:27 -0700 reply

zwiki.org is expiring and I'm having trouble getting my registrar to accept the payment. In case there is a brief interruption in service, this is to let you know why.

FYI: domain renewal in progress --simon, Sun, 05 Aug 2007 08:50:49 -0700 reply

Status update: the domain has expired and some of you may be unable to access the site. I haven't yet found a way to get joker.com to accept payment or respond to support requests, thanks for your patience while this is resolved. As a workaround you can

FYI: domain renewal in progress --simon, Sun, 05 Aug 2007 10:19:19 -0700 reply

zwiki.org is live again, thanks to betabug!

"we have normality, I repeat we have normality.” She turned her microphone off – then turned it back on, with a slight smile and continued: ”Anything you still can’t cope with is therefore your own problem. Please relax. You will be sent for soon.”

Recommendations for a reliable, responsive us-based registrar with clean/efficient ui welcome!

zwiki.org front page --simon, Sun, 05 Aug 2007 11:09:55 -0700 reply

As I often do, I am glancing at the zwiki.org FrontPage? and thinking one of (too much info|too much clicking|older versions were nicer|etc.). Time for a quick poll!

Considering both yourself and newcomers to zwiki.org, would you rather see a much lighter, less intimidating front page, with most of the content moved off to subpages ?

Or, do you prefer to have all the essential content gathered on one page, including the wiki topic outline (Documentation box), recent pages, etc. ?

zwiki.org front page --simon, Sun, 05 Aug 2007 13:49:49 -0700 reply


FYI: domain renewal in progress --FrankLaurijssens?, Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:57:48 -0700 reply

Until now, I've used godaddy for my .com/org/net domains. They don't have the best UI in the world but it works for me. I'm sure there's reasons not to use their services, but I can't come up with one at the moment.

updates --simon, Mon, 06 Aug 2007 09:39:58 -0700 reply

A few more wiki updates.. I've been clarifying prose and converting pages to RST here and there. http://zwiki.org/Mail#receiving-mail-from-a-zwiki has a new table summarising subscription behaviour. Also FrontPage? has a limited-width layout which I hope works well enough in most browsers and window sizes - I'm interested in problem reports (especially screenshots). That was inspired by the Easy-2-Read page (see link at the bottom) which I think is right on.

release plans, zwiki in plone --simon, Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:26:10 -0700 reply

G'day all!

I'd like to break the dry spell and do a Zwiki release soon (Sep 1 ?). This is mainly driven by the need to get Plone 3 support out there (http://zwiki.org/1322). There are a bunch of other things overdue for release too, like persistent page history (http://zwiki.org/47). I had intended to have the all-unicode implementation (http://zwiki.org/1345) in this release, but it's not ready.

The Plone 3 support, especially, needs more love: testing, polishing, thinking about integration issues. As of now it's very basic and barely functional. The more hands involved, the better it will be. Plone 3 is good, and it's worth integrating with it well. NB Plone has incorporated some more wiki functionality in this release (Wicked's (( )) links), but I think Zwiki in Plone is still a valuable option. Zwiki and Wicked fit different needs.

Go go go ;) --FrankLaurijssens?, Sat, 25 Aug 2007 04:16:38 -0700 reply

It's been quiet here for a long time, it's good to see you're back. I've had a busy time as well, but I'll get some breathing space soon.

Go go go ;) --Simon Michael, Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:35:00 -0700 reply

Thanks Frank, welcome back also. Something I noticed while cleaning up DarcsRepos?: you have a "Plone 3 compatibility" patch in your repo which you should be able to unpull now, I think it has been superseded.

Go go go ;) --FrankLaurijssens?, Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:03:00 -0700 reply

Fixed, thanks for the hint. Actally, I was quite surprised it kept running for all this time, because I haven't exactly maintaining the server that well lately. I also added the Unicode branch for now, just to check if I still understood what I did last time.

preserving line breaks, formatting quoted messages on rst pages --Simon Michael, Sun, 26 Aug 2007 16:08:31 -0700 reply

FYI, something I discovered recently: in restructured text you can preserve line breaks by prefixing each line of a paragraph with | and a space.

This comes in handy for formatting quoted messages. Zwiki is supposed to recognize message text lines beginning with > and format them with the html blockquote tag, but at least on rst pages this isn't working at all.

On http://zwiki.org/OldLatexWikiDiscussion just now, I prepended the quoted lines (and the preceding So-and-so wrote: line) with |. Now at least the quoted excerpts are readable. We should investigate this a little more and make sure rst and other page types format quoted excerpts properly.

two more notes --simon, Sun, 26 Aug 2007 18:13:23 -0700 reply

Interesting: I just saw the chinese translation of the navigation links, on FrontPage? only, until I did shift-refresh. Presumably this is because I reinstalled PloneAndCMF? (and PTS), FrontPage? is ramcached, a chinese user passed by recently, and the translated version got cached. Something to be aware of! Just shift-reload if FrontPage? ever seems stale.

And: zwiki.org is poised on a knife edge, with 1354 ordinary pages and 1354 issue pages. Looks like quite soon the IssueTracker? will be the bigger part of this wiki.

ZWiki? 0.60rc1 released --simon, Fri, 31 Aug 2007 00:27:58 -0700 reply

Since I'll be away on a roadtrip over the 1st, I have published a release candidate. Now is a great time to install it widely, test, report problems in the IssueTracker?, send patches to DarcsRepos?, clarify CHANGES, and update translations. The final release will go out next week.

The US celebrates Labour Day on the wrong date, but never mind: Happy Labour Day Weekend all you workers!