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Editor: simon
Time: 2007/09/17 12:11:35 GMT-7
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-From SimonMichael Wed Aug 1 14:12:59 -0700 2007
-From: Simon Michael
-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 14:12:59 -0700
-Subject: page history
-Message-ID: <46B0F75B.1000302@joyful.com>
-In-Reply-To: <20070731115037-0700@zwiki.org>
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-Yes, the release process stalled after 0.59 and so that release is 
-unusually far behind the latest darcs repository. Sorry about that.
-
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-From SimonMichael Wed Aug 1 14:25:36 -0700 2007
-From: Simon Michael
-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 14:25:36 -0700
-Subject: Plone 3 wiki support
-Message-ID: <46B0FA51.6020007@joyful.com>
-In-Reply-To: <20070727131509-0700@zwiki.org>
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-I guess we need to resolve #1322 and then I could talk to limi about 
-rewording this a bit. We want Zwiki running smoothly on latest Plone 
-again, and to remain as a known alternative folk who need a full-blown 
-wiki in plone.
-
-
-From SimonMichael Fri Aug 3 12:16:27 -0700 2007
-From: Simon Michael
-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 12:16:27 -0700
-Subject: FYI: domain renewal in progress
-Message-ID: <46B37F0D.3020109@joyful.com>
-
-zwiki.org is expiring and I'm having trouble getting my registrar to 
-accept the payment. In case there is a brief interruption in service, 
-this is to let you know why.
-
-
-From simon Sun Aug 5 08:50:49 -0700 2007
-From: simon
-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 08:50:49 -0700
-Subject: FYI: domain renewal in progress
-Message-ID: <20070805085049-0700@zwiki.org>
-In-Reply-To: <46B37F0D.3020109@joyful.com>
-
-Status update: the domain has expired and some of you may be unable to access the site. I haven't yet found a way to get joker.com to accept payment or respond to support requests, thanks for your patience while this is resolved. As a workaround you can
-
-- search on google and use their cached results
-- use betabug's /etc/hosts tip: http://betabug.ch/blogs/ch-athens/654
-- use this url: http://joyful.com with /zwikib appended (please don't publish online, so robots don't start indexing it)
-
-From simon Sun Aug 5 10:19:19 -0700 2007
-From: simon
-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 10:19:19 -0700
-Subject: FYI: domain renewal in progress
-Message-ID: <20070805101919-0700@zwiki.org>
-In-Reply-To: <20070805085049-0700@zwiki.org>
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-zwiki.org is live again, thanks to betabug!
-
- "we have normality, I repeat we have normality.” She turned her microphone off
- – then turned it back on, with a slight smile and continued: ”Anything you
- still can’t cope with is therefore your own problem. Please relax. You will be
- sent for soon.” 
-
-Recommendations for a reliable, responsive us-based registrar with clean/efficient ui welcome!
-
-From simon Sun Aug 5 11:09:55 -0700 2007
-From: simon
-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 11:09:55 -0700
-Subject: zwiki.org front page
-Message-ID: <20070805110955-0700@zwiki.org>
-
-As I often do, I am glancing at the zwiki.org FrontPage and thinking one of (too much info|too much clicking|older versions were nicer|etc.). Time for a quick poll!
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-Considering both yourself and newcomers to zwiki.org, would you rather see a much lighter, less intimidating front page, with most of the content moved off to subpages ? 
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-Or, do you prefer to have all the essential content gathered on one page, including the wiki topic outline (Documentation box), recent pages, etc. ?
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-From simon Sun Aug 5 13:49:49 -0700 2007
-From: simon
-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 13:49:49 -0700
-Subject: zwiki.org front page
-Message-ID: <20070805134949-0700@zwiki.org>
-In-Reply-To: <20070805110955-0700@zwiki.org>
-
-Updated!
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-From FrankLaurijssens Sun Aug 5 23:57:48 -0700 2007
-From: FrankLaurijssens
-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:57:48 -0700
-Subject: FYI: domain renewal in progress
-Message-ID: <20070805235748-0700@zwiki.org>
-In-Reply-To: <20070805101919-0700@zwiki.org>
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-Until now, I've used godaddy for my .com/org/net domains. They don't have the best UI in the world but it works for me. I'm sure there's reasons *not* to use their services, but I can't come up with one at the moment.
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-From simon Mon Aug 6 09:39:58 -0700 2007
-From: simon
-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 09:39:58 -0700
-Subject: updates
-Message-ID: <20070806093958-0700@zwiki.org>
-
-A few more wiki updates.. I've been clarifying prose and converting pages to RST here and there. http://zwiki.org/Mail#receiving-mail-from-a-zwiki has a new table summarising subscription behaviour. Also FrontPage has a limited-width layout which I hope works well enough in most browsers and window sizes - I'm interested in problem reports (especially screenshots). That was inspired by the Easy-2-Read page (see link at the bottom) which I think is right on.
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-From simon Fri Aug 24 12:26:10 -0700 2007
-From: simon
-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:26:10 -0700
-Subject: release plans, zwiki in plone
-Message-ID: <20070824122610-0700@zwiki.org>
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-G'day all!
-
-I'd like to break the dry spell and do a Zwiki release soon (Sep 1 ?).
-This is mainly driven by the need to get Plone 3 support out there (http://zwiki.org/1322). 
-There are a bunch of other things overdue for release too, like persistent page history (http://zwiki.org/47). I had intended to have the all-unicode implementation (http://zwiki.org/1345) in this release, but it's not ready.
-
-The Plone 3 support, especially, needs more love: testing, polishing, thinking about integration issues. As of now it's very basic and barely functional. The more hands involved, the better it will be. Plone 3 is good, and it's worth integrating with it well. NB Plone has incorporated some more wiki functionality in this release (Wicked's (( )) links), but I think Zwiki in Plone is still a valuable option. Zwiki and Wicked fit different needs.
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-From FrankLaurijssens Sat Aug 25 04:16:38 -0700 2007
-From: FrankLaurijssens
-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 04:16:38 -0700
-Subject: Go go go ;)
-Message-ID: <20070825041638-0700@zwiki.org>
-In-Reply-To: <20070824122610-0700@zwiki.org>
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-It's been quiet here for a long time, it's good to see you're back. I've had a busy time as well, but I'll get some breathing space soon. 
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-From SimonMichael Sun Aug 26 13:35:00 -0700 2007
-From: Simon Michael
-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:35:00 -0700
-Subject: Go go go ;)
-Message-ID: <46D1E3FB.1080103@joyful.com>
-In-Reply-To: <20070825041638-0700@zwiki.org>
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-Thanks Frank, welcome back also. Something I noticed while cleaning up 
-DarcsRepos: you have a "Plone 3 compatibility" patch in your repo which 
-you should be able to unpull now, I think it has been superseded.
-
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-From FrankLaurijssens Sun Aug 26 14:03:00 -0700 2007
-From: FrankLaurijssens
-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:03:00 -0700
-Subject: Go go go ;)
-Message-ID: <20070826140300-0700@zwiki.org>
-In-Reply-To: <46D1E3FB.1080103@joyful.com>
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-Fixed, thanks for the hint. Actally, I was quite surprised it kept running for all this time, because I haven't exactly maintaining the server that well lately. I also added the Unicode branch for now, just to check if I still understood what I did last time.
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-From SimonMichael Sun Aug 26 16:08:31 -0700 2007
-From: Simon Michael
-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 16:08:31 -0700
-Subject: preserving line breaks, formatting quoted messages on rst pages
-Message-ID: <20070826230838.68F3FA5E29@dynabook.joyful.com>
-
-
-FYI, something I discovered recently: in restructured text you can
-preserve line breaks by prefixing each line of a paragraph with | and a
-space.
-
-This comes in handy for formatting quoted messages.  Zwiki is supposed to
-recognize message text lines beginning with > and format them with the
-html blockquote tag, but at least on rst pages this isn't working at
-all.
-
-On http://zwiki.org/OldLatexWikiDiscussion just now, I prepended the
-quoted lines (and the preceding So-and-so wrote: line) with |. Now at
-least the quoted excerpts are readable. We should investigate this a
-little more and make sure rst and other page types format quoted excerpts
-properly.
-
-
-From simon Sun Aug 26 18:13:23 -0700 2007
-From: simon
-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 18:13:23 -0700
-Subject: two more notes
-Message-ID: <20070826181323-0700@zwiki.org>
-
-Interesting: I just saw the chinese translation of the navigation links, on FrontPage only, until I did shift-refresh. Presumably this is because I reinstalled PloneAndCMF (and PTS), FrontPage is ramcached, a chinese user passed by recently, and the translated version got cached. Something to be aware of! Just shift-reload if FrontPage ever seems stale.
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-And: zwiki.org is poised on a knife edge, with 1354 ordinary pages and 1354 issue pages. Looks like quite soon the IssueTracker will be the bigger part of this wiki.
-
-
-From simon Fri Aug 31 00:27:58 -0700 2007
-From: simon
-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 00:27:58 -0700
-Subject: ZWiki 0.60rc1 released
-Message-ID: <20070831002758-0700@zwiki.org>
-In-Reply-To: <20070824122610-0700@zwiki.org>
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-Since I'll be away on a roadtrip over the 1st, I have published a release candidate. Now is a great time to install it widely, test, report problems in the IssueTracker, send patches to DarcsRepos, clarify CHANGES, and update translations. The final release will go out next week.
-
-The US celebrates `Labour Day <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_day>`_ on the wrong date, but never mind: Happy Labour Day Weekend all you workers! 
-
-From sfoster Fri Aug 31 04:32:55 -0700 2007
-From: sfoster
-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 04:32:55 -0700
-Subject: Zwiki pages do not appear in Plone's navigation portlet
-Message-ID: <20070831043255-0700@zwiki.org>
-In-Reply-To: <46310001.7040200@joyful.com>
-
-Hello Simon,
-
-Apologies for not getting back - I've not had a chance to look at it again either, so no change here. We're about to upgrade to v3, so this one may "go away" but if you do find anything, please let me know.
-
-Cheers,
-
-Steven
-
-From betabug Fri Aug 31 10:15:51 -0700 2007
-From: betabug
-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:15:51 -0700
-Subject: ZWiki 0.60rc1 released
-Message-ID: <20070831101551-0700@zwiki.org>
-In-Reply-To: <20070831002758-0700@zwiki.org>
-
-Great! Woohoo for 0.60 coming! Hopefully I will have some time to test over the weekend.
-

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Plone/Wicked, Zwiki comparison --simon, Wed, 05 Sep 2007 13:23:01 -0700 reply

FYI, I've updated http://zwiki.org/PloneAndCMF#zwiki-and-wicked.

darcs doc update --simon, Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:17:38 -0700 reply

New/updated:

how do ZWiki? home page --NeilMcEvoy?, Sat, 08 Sep 2007 05:43:57 -0700 reply

I love the zwiki.org home page style. is there a quick how to on how it's done? I've looked around the site, but can't find how to do stuff like the nice coloured boxes, the centred text etc. Thanks!

how do ZWiki? home page --Simon Michael, Sat, 08 Sep 2007 08:59:39 -0700 reply

Hey Neil, welcome. It's just hand-tweaked html (FrontPage? uses structured text + html instead of restructured text). See it via the edit link, external edit link, or by appending /src to the url.

Plone integration --NeilMcEvoy?, Sun, 09 Sep 2007 05:58:37 -0700 reply

My main goal is plone integration, and I see there's a lot of info to read. A quick question: ZWiki? Folders allows me to select membership controls, such as 'role to add wiki pages' = 'expert' etc. Will these be site-wide, or will they fit in with how I'm trying to use mxmWorkgroups, which is limit the role to that group, ie a group wiki can only be edited by an expert for that group, or will it mean any expert can edit any wiki?

many thanks! Neil.

Spam --flemmingbjerke, Wed, 12 Sep 2007 03:53:57 -0700 reply

It is necessary to pay more attention to spam. Even zwiki.org has had spam problems:

http://zwiki.org/1279IssuetrackerSpamIsStillAProblemCloseHolesAndRepairIssuesOnZwikiOrgElsewhere

We need to have open zwiki where whoever wants to comment, can comment. But, we cannot do that due to spammers. I have tried to apply plonecaptcha, but I haven't succeeded in having zwiki to validate captcha. I think zwiki should have default opportunity where anonymous user must use captcha.

Spam --betabug, Wed, 12 Sep 2007 04:29:32 -0700 reply

Have you tried setting edits_need_username ? Did it change anything for you there? See for example the LinkSpam? page for details.

Spam --Simon Michael, Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:37:40 -0700 reply

As betabug says, see http://zwiki.org/LinkSpam - that page has the current know-how for dealing with Zwiki spam. So far these methods have been sufficient for all zwikis I know about. Patches to integrate with PloneCaptcha? would be interesting.

upload image inplace --val, Fri, 14 Sep 2007 03:39:28 -0700 reply

Hi all, I have created a bit of javascript code that uses the upload functionality embedded in Zwiki to upload images. It all works fine, the upload works fine, but the image is always put under the text, instead of where the cursor is. Does anyone have a clue why?

upload image inplace --betabug, Sat, 15 Sep 2007 06:45:40 -0700 reply

Unless you have changed any Zwiki python code, the uploads are on the server handled by the handleFileUpload() method (in Editing.py), which - after handling all the file uploading business - will call _addFileLink() (also in Editing.py). _addFileLink() searches the text of the current page for a link to the freshly uploaded image. If no such link (href or src) is found, and satisfying some other tests, it adds a link to the image at the end of the wiki page in question.

So I'd say that if your javascript also adds a link to that image at the cursor position and properly sends in the "edited" page text to the server at the same time as uploading the image, then the image should not appear at the end of the page.

release status --simon, Sat, 15 Sep 2007 09:19:37 -0700 reply

Hi all.. I have not felt ready to release 0.60 final yet due to a number of uglyish plone and encoding-related issues. You can see them in IssueTracker?. I haven't been able to spend time on these during the week. Good news, Sascha Welter is back to zwiki hacking as of today and this will help a lot. Anyone else with a little time here and there, please do hang out on #zwiki and help if you can. Many hands make light work!

Zwiki 0.60 released --simon, Sat, 15 Sep 2007 15:25:08 -0700 reply

Can't wait any longer! 0.60 must be released! Happy Software Freedom Day!