Simon Michael, 2002/09/02 06:25 GMT (via mail):
Zwiki 0.10.0 has been released, including 4.5 months' worth of enhancements & fixes. Enjoy.

Summary

Pre-rendering for better performance, new freeform page names and fuzzy linking, WikiForNow regulations support (beta), page renaming & deleting, UI enhancement & simplification, better upgradability, page templates support, i18n started, many bugfixes & minor enhancements.

Upgrading notes

This release has renamed page types and a new render-caching mechanism, to which pages are upgraded automatically; full-featured UI defaults which will be used if you delete your custom DTML methods; and one new and one renamed permission. See http://zwiki.org/QuickUpgradeGuide & http://zwiki.org/HowToUpgradeZwiki for more.

Download:

http://zope.org/Members/simon/ZWiki or http://zwiki.org/releases/ZWiki-0.10.0.tgz


2002/09/02 10:14 GMT (via web):
On the ZCatalog crash, this is what I get in the STUPID_LOG_FILE:

  2002-09-02T09:32:38 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Mon Sep  2 10:32:38 2002: Aiieee! 368841 exited with error code: 136

Is this the problem that you referred to? I'm not sure what you mean by stack space in my python build: I can't find anything relevant in the python distribution on how to configure this, and searching with Google doesn't turn up anything useful. Presumably you don't mean the shell's "stacksize" resource limit? If you can give me a pointer, I can try rebuilding my python installation and see if it makes any difference.

Thanks, Peter.


2002/09/02 15:28 GMT (via web):
I've just upgraded my ZWiki to 0.10.0 and get the following error when trying to open a Zwiki page; Error Type: Invalid Date-Time String Error Value: 2002/06/15 17:11 Central Standard Time

the complete traceback is:

 Traceback (innermost last):
  File C:\PROGRA~1\Zope\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 150, in publish_module
  File C:\PROGRA~1\Zope\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 114, in publish
  File C:\PROGRA~1\Zope\lib\python\Zope\__init__.py, line 159, in zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: wiki)
  File C:\PROGRA~1\Zope\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 98, in publish
  File C:\PROGRA~1\Zope\lib\python\ZPublisher\mapply.py, line 88, in mapply
    (Object: KentT)
  File C:\PROGRA~1\Zope\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 39, in call_object
    (Object: KentT)
  File C:\Program Files\Zope\lib\python\Products\ZWiki\ZWikiPage.py, line 150, in __call__
    (Object: KentT)
  File C:\Program Files\Zope\lib\python\Products\ZWiki\ZWikiPage.py, line 2962, in upgrade
    (Object: KentT)
  File C:\PROGRA~1\Zope\lib\python\DateTime\DateTime.py, line 651, in __init__
  File C:\PROGRA~1\Zope\lib\python\DateTime\DateTime.py, line 937, in _parse
 Invalid Date-Time String: (see above)

What should I do? Thanks, Kent


Simon Michael, 2002/09/02 16:56 GMT (via mail):

> Is this the problem that you referred to?

No; a different mysterious error code. I don't know where you look these up, but if you ask on one of the zope lists someone at Zope corp. will know what 136 signifies. This will probably help.


> I'm not sure what you mean by stack space in my python build: I can't

Me neither, exactly, but I heard it mentioned on the zope lists as one cause of crashing problems when using the stock python on freebsd. Here's a hit: http://lists.imeme.net/archives/imeme-users/2002-January/000725.html . Let us know what happens.


Simon Michael, 2002/09/02 17:02 GMT (via mail):

> I've just upgraded my ZWiki to 0.10.0 and get the following error when
> trying to open a Zwiki page; Error Type: Invalid Date-Time String Error

your KenT? page's creation_time property has got an invalid value somehow. What does it show in KenT?/manage_propertiesForm ? Also check some of your other pages to see if the problem is widespread.


2002/09/02 17:58 GMT (via web):
Here's a couple other creation_times;


ktenney, 2002/09/02 22:25 GMT (via web):
Is there a problem with the creation_time I posted?

What do I do to proceed with upgrading to 0.10.0 ? (I have reverted to 0.9.9 in the mean time)

Thanks, Kent


Simon Michael, 2002/09/02 23:30 GMT (via mail):

> Is there a problem with the creation_time I posted?

Yes.. it seems zope's DateTime? class doesn't like the "Central Standard Time" timezone (it would be happy with "CST" or "US/Central"). So the question is how did it get there. Meanwhile,


> What do I do to proceed with upgrading to 0.10.0 ?

you could change the offending line in ZWikiPage.py, or fix your pages. Add and run this python script in your wiki folder:

 import string
 for page in container.objectValues(spec='ZWiki Page'):
   for prop in ('creation_time','last_edit_time'):
     try:
       s = getattr(page,prop,None)
       if string.find(s,'Central Standard Time') != -1:
         fixed = string.replace(s,'Central Standard Time','CST')
         setattr(p,prop,fixed)
     except:
       print 'problem with',page.id()
 return printed

You should get no or little output, and your wiki pages should then work ok.


2002/09/03 16:07 GMT (via web):
Hi,

Having more problems with upgrading to 0.10.0 from 0.9.4. My Zope server has two ZWiki folders with different standard headers and footers. The new way of doing things doesn't cater for this as far as I can tell, because any template Zope objects in the ZODB are overridden by template files loaded from the filesystem, which are the same for the whole Zope server.

I tried creating a Page Template and loading the contents of wikipage.zpt, but it isn't one really, so that didn't work.

Have I missed something, or is there really no way around this?

Thanks, Peter.


Pieter Biemond prive, 2002/09/03 16:07 GMT (via mail):
I can't access zwiki.org at this moment. What is going on?

-- PieterB


2002/09/03 16:20 GMT (via web):
Hmm, works fine now. I'm thinking of rewriting my ZwikiFrontend? to store the source MIME messages into the ZODB (as type "MIMEMessage?" or so) and somehow make a ZwikiInclude? (see #219 Reply through the web, create a WikiInclude mechanism) to render the MIMEMessages?. Of course, the rendered messages must be somehow cached.

Before I start, I would like to hear your ideas about this.

-- PieterB


Simon, 2002/09/03 17:15 GMT (via web):
Peter - no, any custom methods in the zodb should override the filesystem defaults. What happens when you leave your custome methods in place ?

Did the suggestion for fixing the earlier issue work ?


Simon, 2002/09/03 17:18 GMT (via web):
Pieter - don't know, I couldn't ssh to it last night either. I have no bright ideas about the mail stuff, sorry.


Peter Keller, 2002/09/03 17:49 GMT (via mail):
Hi,

What happens is that my standard_wiki_header/footer are ignored. Editing templates/defaults/wikipage.zpt is the only way I have found to change the displayed headers/footers when the pages are rendered.

I've had a look through the source to try to understand what is going on. I'm not really a python expert, but it looks to me that at line 2331 of ZWikiPage.py (underneath the comment about UI methods) this assignment is always executed:

wikipage = default_wikipage

default_wikipage is always the template file from the filesystem, and so by the time we get to addStandardLayoutTo, the filesystem version is always used.

I've tried commenting this line out, but I just get a Zope error:

           Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.

           Error Type: AttributeError
           Error Value: wikipage

Thanks for any hints, Peter.

P.S. about the other error, I'm still waiting for a response on the Zope developers mailing list

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Simon, 2002/09/03 18:31 GMT (via web):
Sorry, I confused you with Kent and was wondering about the creation_time issue.

It's strange that your old header & footer are ignored. Does a wikipage page template in your wiki folder get ignored too ? I think the line you point to is ok because addStandardLayoutTo looks in the folder first.


ktenney, 2002/09/03 21:33 GMT (via web):
creation_time problems;

I'm unable to change creation_time, either from the script, or from a /manage page.

The ownership tab of the Wiki shows me as the owner ....

Where else do I look?

Thanks, Kent


Simon Michael, 2002/09/04 00:40 GMT (via mail):
Kent - you can't change creation_time in the ZMI because it's a read-only property.

I set up the script on my own site, found a typo and learned that python scripts can't set properties anyway.

I have made an external method that works, see http://zwiki.org/zwikidir/Extensions/fixprops.py . Install this in your wiki folder or above and try the url in the docstring. Let me know what you get.


Simon, 2002/09/04 00:55 GMT (via web):
JohnGreenaway thanks again for AccessKeys :) I am using alt-e to edit and alt-s to save all the time now. I keep expecting alt-S to work in the ZMI and elsewhere.


ktenney, 2002/09/04 01:48 GMT (via web):
Simon,

The fixprops.py script worked great, now I can open my ZWiki pages with 0.10.0

Thanks, Kent


ktenney, 2002/09/04 02:02 GMT (via web):
Simon,

My contents page shows a pretty small subset of my pages. Do I need to re-catalog the wiki pages?

Thanks, Kent


Simon, 2002/09/04 02:18 GMT (via web):
Kent - good, I've recorded it in the tracker in case it happens to others.

Pages can disappear from contents if they have no valid parent - a workaround is to view them once (or just the top page of the missing hierarchy). This will reset the parent information.


Peter Keller, 2002/09/04 09:42 GMT (via mail):

> It's strange that your old header & footer are ignored. Does a wikipage page
> template in your wiki folder get ignored too ? I think the line you point to
> is ok because addStandardLayoutTo looks in the folder first.

OK: I tried creating a Page Template in the ZMI, and adding this into the middle of the default Zope Page Template code:

   <span tal:replace="structure options/body">
   <em>page body goes here..</em>
   </span>

This template was then applied OK, so that bit works.

After deleting the new wikipage template from the zodb, I then replaced the check for standard_wiki_header/footer in ZWikiPage.py with:

        elif (hasattr(folder,'standard_wiki_header') or
              hasattr(folder,'standard_wiki_footer') ):

so it didn't check for the metatype. I then got a Zope error:

           Error Type: TypeError
           Error Value: unsupported operand types for +

I tried re-naming the the old methods, and creating new ones with in the ZMI with minimal content:

    <HTML>
    <HEAD>
    <TITLE>A ZWiki page</TITLE>
    </HEAD>
    <BODY BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF">

and:

    </BODY>
    </HTML>

I still got the same Zope TypeError?. I even tried doing this in a completely new ZWikiWeb? - still the same, but this time with a traceback confirming that the error is raised at this statement in addStandardLayoutTo:

    return header + body + footer

I'm very confused now. Does this mean that there is some problem with recognising/using DTML Methods?

I can try to re-work my existing header/footers into a Zope Page Template, but then I cannot use any of the ZWiki-specific stuff that templates/defaults/wikipage.zpt uses (the same reason why I couldn't load the code of templates/defaults/wikipage.zpt into a Zope Page Template using the ZMI). Perhaps we need a ZWiki Page Template class that can be instantiated using the ZMI, rather than the locally-defined MyPageTemplateFile? class? That would solve the problem, I guess.

Peter.

By the way, the Zcatalog problem turns out to be a SIGFPE. I will investigate further, but it probably won't be till next week now.


ktenney, 2002/09/04 12:27 GMT (via web):
Status report, ZWiki upgrade.

Still some searching/indexing oddities.

If I enter TUTOS into the search form, I get a page with 16 results (correct)

Each result has the page name in square brackets with the blue question mark after.

the href for each entry is http://localhost:8080/wiki/SearchPage/editform?page=%3Cdtml-var%20id%3E

I'm not finding that pages or heirarchies are added to Contents after viewing.

Thanks, Kent


interra, 2002/09/04 13:20 GMT (via web):
I tried to merge my master.pt with wikipage. All my attempts fail... I can use simple options/body to display wiki page. But when I am trying to insert full wikipage.zpt (except html/body) in my page, I get error that "wiki_url()" is not available in "here". It look like ZWikiPage uses wrong context when calling wikipage from ZODB...


2002/09/04 13:51 GMT (via web):
I've just downloaded and installed Zope and ZWiki. I've created a Zwiki Web from scratch. In Zope, when I view the web, I can edit the page and add a comment, just like this page. When I view my ZWiki Web I cannot edit and have no comment box. I want anonymous users to edit and add comments. I didn't change security settings.

What should I do to get this done?


ktenney, 2002/09/04 15:12 GMT (via web):
Upgrade Update;

When I click edit on wiki page, above the textarea on the editform is could not render this and the page title is untitled


2002/09/04 23:08 GMT (via web):
I noticed today that RestructuredText is the new format for Python PEP's .

In searching for it on this site I was baffled by the contents of the RestructuredText page. No time to dig into it now..no nap 3 year old beckons.

(p.s. Noticed an old knee jerk response of mine in regards to re-inventing STX when re exists...hopefully can reconcile that later, too.) - DeanGoodmanson


Simon Michael, 2002/09/05 00:20 GMT (via mail):
rST is being discussed on zope-dev at the moment.


Simon Michael, 2002/09/05 00:26 GMT (via mail):
Now the feedback is rolling in.. good, good.

I'm starting to wish we had subject threads. I don't have a preference, but remember you can open a tracker issue which effectively makes a separate "thread" (the only problem is you'll lose the GeneralDiscussion-only crowd).


Simon, 2002/09/05 01:51 GMT (via web):
The zope/python error code 11 bug is causing major problems for GeneralDiscussion.. it's unusable right now. Trying to find some way to save the past comments without triggering this crash.


Simon Michael, 2002/09/05 01:55 GMT (via mail):
zwiki@zwiki.org (Peter Keller) writes (in not exactly this order):
> This template was then applied OK, so that bit works.

Good.


> but then I cannot use any of the ZWiki-specific stuff that
> templates/defaults/wikipage.zpt uses (the same reason why I couldn't
> load the code of templates/defaults/wikipage.zpt into a Zope Page
> Template using the ZMI).

That's exactly what you should be able to do.


> I can try to re-work my existing header/footers into a Zope Page
> Template

No need - dtml methods are supposed to work and we will get them to work. Using the standard zwiki code, with your custom methods in the folder, what do you get when you put the following on a DTML-enabled page ?:

 <pre>
 <dtml-var "standard_wiki_header" html_quote>
 <dtml-var "standard_wiki_footer" html_quote>
 <dtml-var "folder" html_quote>
 <dtml-var "folder()" html_quote>
 <dtml-var "_.getattr(folder(),'standard_wiki_header','none')" html_quote>
 <dtml-var "_.getattr(folder(),'standard_wiki_footer','none')" html_quote>
 </pre>

Sanity check, please - can anyone else confirm or deny (a) their custom standard_wiki_header & standard_wiki_footer methods are working with 0.10 or (b) they are able to create and use a wikipage template containing the code from templates/defaults/wikipage.zpt ?


Simon Michael, 2002/09/05 01:56 GMT (via mail):
zwiki@zwiki.org (ktenney) writes:
> the href for each entry is
> http://localhost:8080/wiki/SearchPage/editform?page=%3Cdtml-var%20id%3E

Is your SearchPage? not DTML-enabled ? (check the editform or /manage_propertiesForm). If not, can you try creating a new zwiki web and check the SearchPage? in that ?


> I'm not finding that pages or heirarchies are added to Contents after
> viewing.

So you view a page, in full mode. Do you see the page title at the top ? Do you see some parents, and/or the contents link above the title ?


Simon Michael, 2002/09/05 02:05 GMT (via mail):
zwiki@zwiki.org (interra) writes:
> I tried to merge my master.pt with wikipage. All my attempts fail... I
> can use simple options/body to display wiki page. But when I am trying
> to insert full wikipage.zpt (except html/body) in my page, I get error
> that "wiki_url()" is not available in "here". It look like ZWikiPage
> uses wrong context when calling wikipage from ZODB...

This sounds like one of Peter's issues. ZWikiPage does mess with the context, it tries to make "here" be the page. But testing it again here, I am seeing "here" is the folder. Will investigate further.


Simon Michael, 2002/09/05 02:06 GMT (via mail):

> When I view my ZWiki Web I cannot edit and have no comment box.
> I want anonymous users to edit and add comments. I didn't change
> security settings.

You probably need to grant the Zwiki: permissions for Anonymous. Look at your wiki folder's Security tab in the ZMI, or a higher folder if you want to acquire these permissions.


Simon Michael, 2002/09/05 02:06 GMT (via mail):

> When I click edit on wiki page, above the textarea on the editform is
> could not render this and the page title is untitled

Is this a custom editform ? Including standard_wiki_header at the top ? And you have a custom standard_wiki_header in place ?


Simon, 2002/09/05 02:08 GMT (via web):
Submitted ZopeIssue:560


Simon Michael, 2002/09/05 02:22 GMT (via mail):
Simon Michael <simon@joyful.com> writes:
>> I'm not finding that pages or heirarchies are added to Contents after
>> viewing.
>
> So you view a page, in full mode. Do you see the page title at the top ?
> Do you see some parents, and/or the contents link above the title ?

Let me clarify this - if you have a hierarchy of pages that's gone missing (not just one page), then most of those pages' parents may be fine - the page that needs repairing is the one at the top of the tree. View that one.


Simon Michael, 2002/09/05 02:32 GMT (via mail):
Simon Michael <simon@joyful.com> writes:
> Let me clarify this - if you have a hierarchy of pages that's gone missing
> (not just one page), then most of those pages' parents may be fine - the
> page that needs repairing is the one at the top of the tree. View that
> one.

I won't stop there, I'll clarify myself still further -

ack! it's worse than this. Any page you visit within the lost hierarchy will get "repaired" by being reparented to the top level, so your lost hierarchy's structure will be really lost, unless you undo. So you really want to view the top page if you can find it.


Jay, Dylan, 2002/09/05 03:19 GMT (via mail):

> > When I view my ZWiki Web I cannot edit and have no comment box.
> > I want anonymous users to edit and add comments. I didn't change
> > security settings.
>
> You probably need to grant the Zwiki: permissions for
> Anonymous. Look at
> your wiki folder's Security tab in the ZMI, or a higher
> folder if you want
> to acquire these permissions.

Sometime I wonder if hiding options based on security permissions is more trouble than its worth. When the're there but disabled, or give a security error, at the user knows what's going on.


Simon, 2002/09/05 03:35 GMT (via web):
I hear you.. but I started out that way, and they didn't :(


Simon, 2002/09/05 03:42 GMT (via web):
I feel the current behaviour

  1. puts the learning curve with the wiki admin rather than the wiki visitor
  2. is most often what the admin wants (once they have learned about zwiki permissions)

Is better admin documentation what's needed ?


Simon, 2002/09/05 03:56 GMT (via web):
By the way, anyone hasn't created a new wiki recently should take a look at the BasicFrontPage, it may help some.


ktenney, 2002/09/05 17:47 GMT (via web):
saga, upgrade to 0.10
> When I click edit on wiki page, above the textarea on the editform is
> could not render this and the page title is untitled

Is this a custom editform ? Including standard_wiki_header at the top ? And you have a custom standard_wiki_header in place ?

I think the only non-custom element is one line in standard_wiki_header:: edit this page

Is your SearchPage? not DTML-enabled ? (check the editform or /manage_propertiesForm). If not, can you try creating a new zwiki web and check the SearchPage? in that ?

I created a new ZWiki with zwikidotorg checked, it's cool works great.

Thanks, Kent


Bob Finch, 2002/09/05 19:45 GMT (via web):
In a new Zope and ZWiki install, clicking on a UserOptions? link causes Zope to restart. Is this caused by the same Zope/python crashing bug mentioned above (ZopeIssue:560)? I'm running:


ktenney, 2002/09/06 00:14 GMT (via web):
Zwiki update continued,

I created a new ZWiki. Pages I copy from my regular one into the test one behave normally, search works right, editform works right.

Should I just copy all pages to the test, and delete the original?

Would you prefer trying to discover what's happening?

Thanks, Kent


Simon Michael, 2002/09/06 00:36 GMT (via mail):
zwiki@zwiki.org (Bob Finch) writes:
> In a new Zope and ZWiki install, clicking on a UserOptions? link causes
> Zope to restart. Is this caused by the same Zope/python crashing bug
> mentioned above (ZopeIssue:560)?

Hi Bob, perhaps, turn on your debug log (see zope's doc/LOGGING.txt) and see what it says when zope crashes.


Simon Michael, 2002/09/06 00:40 GMT (via mail):
"Marcio Marchini" <mqm@magma.ca> writes:
> I was unable to upgrade.
> ...
> ImportError?: No module named PageTemplates.PageTemplate

Hi Marcio - it's looking for Page Templates, which I think you need to install as a separate product with zope 2.4.3. I'll look into handling this more gracefully in the next release.

Thanks - Simon


Simon Michael, 2002/09/06 00:52 GMT (via mail):
zwiki@zwiki.org (ktenney) writes:
> I created a new ZWiki. Pages I copy from my regular one into the test one
> behave normally, search works right, editform works right.
>
> Should I just copy all pages to the test, and delete the original?

Kent - in your original wiki it sounds as if someone (or zwiki's auto-upgrade ?) messed up your SearchPage?'s page type; and your editform/standard_wiki_header had a dtml bug (or broke due to an incompatibility in 0.10).

Your new wiki uses the default UI methods, is that right ? If you're happy with it then yes, move the pages over (less maintenance for you) and I won't pursue those glitches further right now. They are hard to pinpoint at this distance.


Peter Keller, 2002/09/06 08:42 GMT (via mail):
Hi, I'm back.


> No need - dtml methods are supposed to work and we will get them to work.
> Using the standard zwiki code, with your custom methods in the folder,
> what do you get when you put the following on a DTML-enabled page ?::

... snip ...

OK - tried this. Putting your code on a stxprelinkdtmlhtml page, with my minimal custom header/footers in the zodb, I get:

  <Python Method object at 1410bd760>
  <Python Method object at 1412d5a90>
  <Python Method object at 1412e2830>
  <Folder instance at 14102bb80>
  &lt;HTML&gt;
 &lt;HEAD&gt;
 &lt;TITLE&gt;A ZWiki page&lt;/TITLE&gt;
 &lt;/HEAD&gt;
 &lt;BODY BGCOLOR=&quot;#FFFFFF&quot;&gt;

  &lt;/BODY&gt;
 &lt;/HTML&gt;

Peter.


ktenney, 2002/09/06 11:01 GMT (via web):
Images and STX,

Is there STX syntax to place an image inline?

I seem to remember something like "image name" : img : image_location (spaces added to prevent rendering)

I can find no reference to this, only to html tags for images. Did I imagine it?

Thanks, Kent


Wim, 2002/09/06 14:51 GMT (via web):
Is it possible to have subfolders in ZWiki? And, if so, how can you direct a page reference to it?


Simon Michael, 2002/09/06 16:20 GMT (via mail):
zwiki@zwiki.org (Wim) writes:
> Is it possible to have subfolders in ZWiki? And, if so, how can you
> direct a page reference to it?

Yes, you can make a sub-wiki (or just a subfolder with some pages) inside your wiki folder using the ZMI. To link there from the main wiki, you'll need to use html links, stx links (subwiki/SomePage?) or RemoteWikiLinks. (In the last release you could just do [subwiki/Somepage] but this was removed).

The sub-wiki will acquire any custom UI methods from the parent, and it's wiki links will see the parent's pages, linking them as ../PageInParentWiki. So clicking on one of these will take you up to the parent wiki.


Simon Michael, 2002/09/06 16:21 GMT (via mail):
zwiki@zwiki.org (ktenney) writes:
> Is there STX syntax to place an image inline?

Yes there is.. and I think it has been enabled by default in current zope. Try the structured text wiki.


Simon Michael, 2002/09/06 17:14 GMT (via mail):
zwiki@zwiki.org (Peter Keller) writes:
> OK - tried this. Putting your code on a stxprelinkdtmlhtml page, with my
> minimal custom header/footers in the zodb, I get::

Peter - those look good. Because I tested this "at least once" and especially because no-one else reported it, I thought it was likely caused by something in your setup. But I have reproduced it, it's a bug alright.

On lines 229 and 232, change is to ==. And, on line 267 move the # to the beginning of the line. Thanks for the report.

I swear, I'm never going to use is again, it never does what I expect.

General call for help - zwiki needs your help to make releases more bug-free. The best thing you can do to help (well, aside from funding) is to develop a unit test for some bit of functionality, such as this one. The other best thing is to download and test the release candidates in your setup. FYI these come out on the 25th of each month.


Peter Keller, 2002/09/06 17:39 GMT (via mail):

> On lines 229 and 232, change is to ==. And, on line 267 move the # to
> the beginning of the line. Thanks for the report.

Yes, that fixed it alright: this lets me migrate to 0.10. I'll wait for further news on the wikipage.zpt problem. With a bit of luck, I'll have the time to investigate the Zcatalog crash next week.

Thanks, Peter.


Bob Finch, 2002/09/06 20:07 GMT (via web):

> Hi Bob, perhaps, turn on your debug log (see zope's doc/LOGGING.txt) and see what
> it says when zope crashes.

Looks like it's getting a SIGSEGV::

2002-09-06T19:46:57 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Fri Sep 6 12:46:57 2002: Aiieee! 24446 exited with error code: 139


Simon Michael, 2002/09/06 20:29 GMT (via mail):
zwiki@zwiki.org (Bob Finch) writes:
> 2002-09-06T19:46:57 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Fri Sep 6 12:46:57 2002:
> Aiieee! 24446 exited with error code: 139

You should probably bring it up on the zope-dev list. You might want to join Peter Keller's thread re error code 136.


Simon Michael, 2002/09/08 21:48 GMT (via mail):
Look in Control_Panel in the ZMI. I'd like to know what you have, to help me decide whether I must stop using prefix. It's a pain, but I suppose I'll have to.

If you don't want to upgrade your zope, the workaround is to replace lines 26-37 in ZWiki/dtml/zwikiWebAdd.dtml with something like (untested):

 <dtml-in listWikis>
 <dtml-unless "_['sequence-item'][-7:] == '_config'">
 <tr valign="middle">
 <td nowrap valign="top">
 <input type="radio" name="wiki_type" value="<dtml-var "_['sequence-item']">"
 <dtml-if "_['sequence-start']">CHECKED</dtml-if>
 > <dtml-var "_['sequence-item']"></input>
 </td>
 <td>
 <dtml-try>
 <dtml-with "PARENTS[-1].Control_Panel.Products.ZWiki">
 <dtml-var "_.string.join(_[_['sequence-item']].description)">

But you'll probably find other occurrences. I like to use prefix.


Simon, 2002/09/08 21:55 GMT (via web):
Oops, meant to send that to #229 with older zope versions, cannot add Zwiki Web from ZMI (invalid attribute "prefix"). There's a problem: when the page name in a mailout's subject is free-form, replies don't go back to the originating page.


Peter Keller, 2002/09/09 08:40 GMT (via mail):

> zwiki@zwiki.org (Bob Finch) writes:
> > 2002-09-06T19:46:57 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Fri Sep 6 12:46:57
> 2002:
> > Aiieee! 24446 exited with error code: 139
>
> You should probably bring it up on the zope-dev list. You might want to
> join Peter Keller's thread re error code 136.

And also have a look at the thread on the zope-dev mailing list that I started about error code 136 at http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2002-September/017303.html , which has some useful hints.

Peter.


MichaelIvey, 2002/09/09 14:04 GMT (via web):
SM: After some discussion on DebianWiki:ChitChat, I promised to mention something to you. Evidently some WikiWikiWeb users prefer adding pages by calling http://...../edit?NewPageName or something, instead of referencing it by Wikiname in another page. http://zwiki.org/NewPageName/editform doesn't work...is there a URL syntax that would give this functionality? If not...then eh, it isn't that big a deal.


Mark B, 2002/09/09 14:26 GMT (via web):
I've set up a Zwikiweb and it works fine except that when I try to add a comment from a windows machine the add a comment button triggers the file download dialog as if windows does not know how to open file. If I pick "open file" it still cant open it because it doesnt know what program to use (The file has no extension of course) I have no trouble opening the wiki page from the ZMI. Any ideas? TIA.


Simon Michael, 2002/09/09 19:26 GMT (via mail):
Hi Michael - how's things going over there on DebianWiki? ?

Sure, you can call SomePage?/edit?page=NewPage? . NewPage? will be a child of SomePage?, will inherit it's type and will be empty (unless you specify type or text). SomePage?/editform?page=NewPage? brings up the form prior to creating the page.

Also the standard_error_message from a new 0.10 wiki presents some options for handling unrecognized urls. You can change it to go straight to the creation form, or even to create the page immediately - that's probably going too far.


Simon, 2002/09/09 19:30 GMT (via web):
(moved from archives) What about a SignatureShortCut to provide a short signature in ThreadMode?? - FloK


Simon, 2002/09/09 19:34 GMT (via web):
Mark - not really. What should be happening there is a redirect to http://.../YourPage#bottom after the comment is added. What browser version ? I assume it works with a different browser on the same machine.


Simon Michael, 2002/09/09 20:01 GMT (via mail):

> if you want to summarize them there afterwards that would be much
> appreciated.

PS I see you're already doing just that. Cool, I'll stand back.


Jay, Dylan, 2002/09/10 00:35 GMT (via mail):

> Mark - not really. What should be happening there is a redirect to
> http://.../YourPage#bottom after the comment is added. What
> browser version ?
> I assume it works with a different browser on the same machine.

Actually I've seen the download on comment bug in previous versions. It only happened however if nothing was entered in the comment field and the comment button was hit, which is weird. This was with IE6


Jordan, 2002/09/10 19:19 GMT (via web):
In ZWiki 0.9 I could create a subwiki folder and call it just using its name from any wiki page in the parent folder. Other sub wikis could see each other and I could just type their names to create a link over to them. I could also place the zwiki header and footer methods anywhere in my Zope directory and have multiple wiki webs inherit them. I don't seem to be able to do either of these things in ZWiki 0.10. What's up?


Simon Michael, 2002/09/10 20:09 GMT (via mail):
zwiki@zwiki.org (Jordan) writes:
> In ZWiki 0.9 I could create a subwiki folder and call it just using its name
> from any wiki page in the parent folder. Other sub wikis could see each other
> and I could just type their names to create a link over to them. I could also
> place the zwiki header and footer methods anywhere in my Zope directory and
> have multiple wiki webs inherit them. I don't seem to be able to do either of
> these things in ZWiki 0.10. What's up?

Sounds interesting.. give a precise example so I can understand your setup. There was a post on how sub-wikis work a few days ago. If your header and footer methods are being ignored, you may be getting hit by a 0.10 bug - see KnownIssues.


interra, 2002/09/11 08:56 GMT (via web):
Hi,

I gave up to make wikipage work and tried to find out why old good DTML way do not work... Here are the pearls I've found :). The below is part of the ZWikiPage.addStandardLayoutTo:

        elif ((hasattr(folder,'standard_wiki_header') and
               getattr(folder.standard_wiki_header,
                       'meta_type',None) is 'DTML Method') or
              (hasattr(folder,'standard_wiki_footer') and
               getattr(folder.standard_wiki_header,
                       'meta_type',None) is 'DTML Method')):

IMHO, is should be replaced with ==...

But that was not the last thing into game ;) ZWikiPage._renderHeaderOrFooter:

            method = getattr(self,'standard_wiki_'+hdrOrFtr)
            return #method(self, REQUEST, RESPONSE, **kw)  
            return apply(method,(self, REQUEST, RESPONSE), kw)

What do you expect function to return? Right, None :)) Moving hash to beginning of the line corrected situation.

Hope code like this will never get out to public again. I'd release 0.10.1 ASAP, because far not everybody upgrading will step into ZPT at once and far not everybody'll make wikipage to work. I have no reason to as I've made old DTML work... When I'll have time I'll take a look on ZPT rendering, not right now.

Regards,

myroslav at zope.net.ua


WimBekker, 2002/09/11 13:14 GMT (via web):
Ok, I'm a NewBee? and I want magic from day one. I've got my ZWiki up and running. Everyone can add comments. Now what I want is to create a ZWiki page with a list, every item (record) should be entered via a form. The list should display some fields of the records and every item in the list is a new ZWiki page. Every record should display the status of the item. This status must be changed by users. (Kind of like Zope does it in their managing). Can someone put me on the right track? Thanks.


Wim Bekker, 2002/09/11 13:23 GMT (via mail):
Browsing through the Zwiki pages, I found the ZwikiIssueTracker. I realy like that kind of functionality added to my ZwikiWeb?.


2002/09/11 15:22 GMT (via web):
I have multiple wiki webs set up at http://tech.nwc.hccs.edu running under ZWiki 0.9. Inside a parent wiki I have several child-wikis. From any page within the parent-wiki, I can link to a child-wiki by just typing its name as if it were a WikiName (ex: WikiWeb, TechnicalSupport?). I can't seem to do this in 0.10. Instead I just get the "?" prompting me to create a new page. It doesn't see the folder name at all.


2002/09/11 15:42 GMT (via web):
Hi! Please help - error [...]? deleted rest of posting - FlorianKonnertz


2002/09/11 15:54 GMT (via web):
I deleted my former posting, because the error cause was embarrassingly :o) simple, to keep the clearness of the page. - FloK


Simon Michael, 2002/09/11 16:38 GMT (via mail):
zwiki@zwiki.org (interra) writes:
> I gave up to make wikipage work and tried to find out why old good DTML
> way do not work... Here are the pearls I've found :). The below is part

Hi Myroslav, thanks for pursuing this and posting the pearls, but I have to tell you I already dived for these ones. You should check GeneralDiscussion or at least KnownIssues. :)


> Hope code like this will never get out to public again. I'd release
> 0.10.1 ASAP, because far not everybody upgrading will step into ZPT at

I'd like that too. There's a call for help on KnownIssues. Given that KnownIssues describes simple workarounds for most problems and 0.11 is due for release in a little over two weeks, do you think a 0.10.1 release is justified ?


interra, 2002/09/11 16:53 GMT (via web):
Hi,

Ok, I've overlooked KnownIssues and [[[#228 zwiki 0.10.0 ignores standard_wiki_header/standard_wiki_footer DTML methods] zwiki 0.10.0 ignores standard_wiki_header/standard_wiki_footer DTML methods] zwiki 0.10.0 ignores standard_wiki_header/standard_wiki_footer DTML methods]. I've reported problem but it took too much hassle to read mail GeneralDiscussion produces, so I unsubscribed.

I think I am not alone who was lost in that bug-tracking. Sometimes wiki becomes critical in production process. Downgrading to 0.9 was not possible due to AutoUpgrade? process which took place in 0.10...

So another release which solved our problems would be vital for us. Unfortunately editform still do not have proper header ...

Regards,

myroslav at zope.net.ua


Simon Michael, 2002/09/11 16:53 GMT (via mail):

> I have multiple wiki webs set up at http://tech.nwc.hccs.edu running
> under ZWiki 0.9. Inside a parent wiki I have several child-wikis. From
> any page within the parent-wiki, I can link to a child-wiki by just
> typing its name as if it were a WikiName (ex: WikiWeb?,
> TechnicalSupport?). I can't seem to do this in 0.10. Instead I just get
> the "?" prompting me to create a new page. It doesn't see the folder

Ah, I think I understand. Your sub-folders have wikinames so you were able to link to them as if they were pages, and index_html took care of redirecting to an actual page in the sub-wiki. But did that not get a bit confusing in practice ?

  1. 10 is more strict about linking only to zwiki pages, and not other kinds of zope object, to resolve some problems which I can't quite recall at the moment, possibly something to do with free-form names/fuzzy links.

You could hack the old behavior by commenting out ZWikiPage.py lines 1309 and 1329 like so:

              1): #self.isZwikiPage(getattr(folder.aq_base,m))):

              1): #self.isZwikiPage(getattr(folder.aq_parent,m))):


Simon Michael, 2002/09/11 17:13 GMT (via mail):
zwiki@zwiki.org (interra) writes:
> Ok, I've overlooked KnownIssues and [[[#228 zwiki 0.10.0 ignores standard_wiki_header/standard_wiki_footer DTML methods] zwiki 0.10.0 ignores standard_wiki_header/standard_wiki_footer DTML methods] zwiki 0.10.0 ignores standard_wiki_header/standard_wiki_footer DTML methods]. I've reported problem
> but it took too much hassle to read mail GeneralDiscussion produces, so
> I unsubscribed.

Ok, KnownIssues is intended for this situation. But note you have to visit it, not just subscribe, since it is updated by edits and we don't currently mail those out.


> I think I am not alone who was lost in that bug-tracking. Sometimes wiki
> becomes critical in production process.

Great. Ok, what shall we do to improve things ?


> Downgrading to 0.9 was not possible due to AutoUpgrade? process which
> took place in 0.10...

Have you tried it ?


> So another release which solved our problems would be vital for us.

Is applying the workarounds or tracking the CVS version not an option in your situation ?


> Unfortunately editform still do not have proper header ...

Say more about this if you like. My first questions will be, do you have an old standard_wiki_header in place ? Do you have an old editform in place ? Is deleting your old editform an acceptable solution ?

Thanks for the feedback. -Simon


2002/09/11 17:21 GMT (via web):
Grr.. look at dumbass stx turning 0.10 into a list item again. I though we had persuaded it not to do that.


interra, 2002/09/11 17:31 GMT (via web):
Ok, I'll put KnownIssues into my MozillaBookmarkMonitoring? to track changes i it.

I tried to return ZWiki 0.9.9 into Products. That gave me just prerendered pages without WikiName...

Will CVS be stable? I assume far not every time. Will you bother handling branches for maintanence? If yes, then CVS shoud be good solution. You have release you tag it and branch it. Then fixes lands both in branch and in trunc. New features in trunc only...

I get "could not render this." instead of header. Deleting editform gives just built-in editform without standard_wiki_header. We need standard_wiki_header there or at least the way to customize header.

Regards, myroslav at zope.net.ua


ktenney, 2002/09/11 17:56 GMT (via web):
I don't know if this is applicable to your situation ...

I had difficulty with 9.9->10 upgrade; cannot render this, indexing problems ... I ended up creating a new ZWiki, copying all the pages from the old one, pasting them into the new one. Fairly painless, 0.10.0 is working great now with my old pages.


Simon Michael, 2002/09/11 18:29 GMT (via mail):
zwiki@zwiki.org (interra) writes:
> I tried to return ZWiki 0.9.9 into Products. That gave me just
> prerendered pages without WikiName...

I don't know what this means exactly, but I'll take your word for it - it sounds like there are problems downgrading from 0.10. (Though I don't try to support downgrades, I would expect them to mostly work).


> Will CVS be stable? I assume far not every time. Will you bother
> handling branches for maintanence? If yes, then CVS shoud be good
> solution. You have release you tag it and branch it. Then fixes lands
> both in branch and in trunc. New features in trunc only...

Throughout zwiki's history, CVS has usually been as stable and better than the last release. I don't know if this will remain as true.

With the new ReleaseProcess I did intend to use branches for maintenance, but I'm not familiar with them and prefer to avoid the added complexity if I can. I'd rather be working on the wishlist. I was thinking that a fast release cycle plus clear workarounds would allow me to skip branches.

However it seems as if some motivated person could easily take on this task, and perhaps we have enough users to make it worthwhile. It might be a very good thing. Are you interested ?

On the third hand, remember: this release was a major one, including extensive changes from a long period of development; it never looked likely to attract sufficient testers until I actually released it (but thanks to all of you who did test the prerelease); hence it was likely to show a bunch of issues, with 0.11 being the more solid bugfix release; and, we are in the first iteration of a new release process, which as it gets established will (I hope) encourage wider use, testing, development, and more consistent releases.


> I get "could not render this." instead of header. Deleting editform
> gives just built-in editform without standard_wiki_header. We need
> standard_wiki_header there or at least the way to customize header.

I see. This seems to happen often (always ?) when someone upgrades to 0.10, keeping 0.9.9's or a customized header & editform in place. To find out exactly why, get rid of the try..except at ZWikiPage.py line 2339 and let's see the traceback.

Cheers -Simon


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/09/11 18:39 GMT (via web):
Naive Question #83: Is "Fuzzy Matching" the wonderful feature that allows case insensitive URL for wiki pages: http://zwiki.org/generalDISCUSSION ?

Great feature. Upgrade motivation.


Simon, 2002/09/11 19:19 GMT (via web):
Thanks. It's the new standard_error_message , which uses the fuzzy matching methods to do it's thing. It ignores case, spaces and does partial matching. Eg you could enter http://zwiki.org/generald . If it doesn't find any matching page name, it offers to create it or do a text search. This is part of any new 0.10 zwikidotorg wiki.


Simon, 2002/09/11 19:50 GMT (via web):
So that uses fuzzy matching code, but "Fuzzy Matching" per se means that case and whitespace in square bracket links are ignored, ie these links are equivalent:

[General Discussion] : General Discussion
[ gen eral discu ssion ] : gen eral discu ssion

as is GeneralDiscussion, in this case. Why ? "Free-form Names" are translated to wikiname-like ids, which combined with fuzzy linking encourages serendipitous matches between wiki names and free-form names. NB if we were creating each of these pages in an empty wiki, the [ General Discussion ] page would get the id/url GeneralDiscussion. [ gen eral discu ssion ] would get id GenEralDiscuSsion. Whichever of these is created first, the other would then link to.

I'm hopeful this will do what we want most of the time. If it gets confusing a site may want to stick to one or the other (either wikinames or free-form names).


Simon Michael, 2002/09/11 20:07 GMT (via mail):
Simon Michael <simon@joyful.com> writes:
> On the third hand, remember:

PS, on the fourth hand, it would be nice if downgrading was routine. If someone can come up with a better story there (wrt auto-upgrading, etc) it would be a good thing.


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/09/11 21:50 GMT (via web):
ZWiki Net Scout Here ...

The Debian Wiki site was linked ( http://wiki.debian.net/DebianEdu ) on a sub-category post today on Slashdot http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/09/11/117239 .

I didn't notice any WikiVandalismDiscussion .


Simon, 2002/09/11 23:23 GMT (via web):
checkin: "support edit log comments... display in history link title in header, and at top left when diff browsing". These log notes are saved in the last_log page property and in the zope transaction log.


Simon, 2002/09/12 01:05 GMT (via web):
Well spotted DG. Good to see zwiki taking care of business.

I killed the site briefly today in strange ways caused by stupid syntax errors. 30 day pack: 420 -> 355Mb.


2002/09/12 07:11 GMT (via web):
What about the option of Render this page as PlainText? + zwiki in the edit form? - I need it because i want to integrate my ToDoLists? in my wiki. Until now i use PlainText? files as ToDoLists?, which is quite comfortable with vi, here's an example:

Nr. Description of task Who? Date added --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

### os openspirit.de 5 zope: keep doc-types via webdav PUT-factory sv 05-29 11 img smaller 06-12 12 layout: border aorund text, mainframe 06-12 14 pan: new profile, signature loc. 06-18 16 CMF: introduce for the website 06-19 19 news-problem 06-21 24 cvs-server: test sv 05-27 26 fkw dns redirect change 07-25 27 colors: centralize with dtml-var 07-26 29 memento: publishing on openspirit 08-01 31 Last update - msg generate by dtml automatically 09-04 32 MyWiki: css 09-11

I want to become them linked by wiki, i would use more WikiWords? up from now. Do i need the new rendering options? Maybe there's another way by changing the format of the files. How can i use them as stx? The only problem is the newline - i haven't got the thing about changing newlines to <br> yet - perhaps i should read something about it first (ok, i'll do;-). But any hints and comments appreciated nevertheless. - FlorianKonnertz


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/09/12 17:20 GMT (via web):
I'm having a consistent problem with my Zope sites occasionally displaying a cached version of a page, not the recently changed version.

I realize how to force the browser to never cache, but that's not a reasonable solution.

Could someone direct me to the HTML headers (revalidate?) and, more importantly, how to implement them properly in my Zope server (or app header pages, if need be.) ?


Simon Michael, 2002/09/12 19:02 GMT (via mail):
zwiki@zwiki.org (DeanGoodmanson) writes:
> I'm having a consistent problem with my Zope sites occasionally
> displaying a cached version of a page, not the recently changed version.

So a general zope problem (not zwiki), right ? Are you on one of the zope hosting providers ? Do you normally access your sites through an apache proxy, and if so does the problem go away when to talk to zope directly ? And might there some other proxy between you and your sites, eg at your zope host or at your ISP ? (I don't think it's easy to tell). Does googling the zope lists or searching the zope collector help ? I've seen this discussed before somewhere.


> Could someone direct me to the HTML headers (revalidate?) and, more
> importantly, how to implement them properly in my Zope server (or app
> header pages, if need be.) ?

You can use wget or curl to see what headers you're getting. There's a mozilla bookmarklet that should work too. One of the relevant headers is Last-modified, there are others.


JohnGreenaway, 2002/09/12 19:25 GMT (via web):
You can prevent caching with:

 <dtml-call "RESPONSE.setHeader('Cache-Control','no-cache')">
 <dtml-call "RESPONSE.setHeader('Pragma','no-cache')">
 <dtml-call "RESPONSE.setHeader('Expires','-1')">

They set the proper headers to stop both proxies and browsers using old page versions.

You achieve the same effect with html meta tags, but the above's preferable as it actually puts the info in the http header for you.


Simon, 2002/09/12 22:24 GMT (via web):
My last mail hasn't appeared yet. Is this page crashing again ?


Simon, 2002/09/12 22:26 GMT (via web):
No ? Hmm imeme mail delay perhaps..


> What about the option of *Render this page as PlainText? + zwiki in the edit

I guess we want to add this, since it comes up and there seems to be no existing way to do it.. add this before ZWikiPage.py:render_plaintext():

    def render_textlink(self, client=None, REQUEST={}, RESPONSE=None, **kw):
        """
        render the page using fixed-width plain text plus zwiki links
        """
        # pre render
        t = str(self.read())
        if not self._prerendered:
            get_transaction().note('prerender')
            t = html_quote(t)
            self._prerendered = t or '\n'
        if kw.get('pre_only',0): return
        # final render
        t = self._prerendered
        t = self.renderLinksIn(t)
        t = "<pre>\n" + t + "\n</pre>\n"
        t = apply(self.addStandardLayoutTo,(t,),kw)
        return t

and set your page type to textlink. You can add this before the plaintext option in your editform in the zodb or filesystem:

 ('textlink',           'text + links'),


2002/09/13 09:23 GMT (via web):
Subject: option of *Render this page as PlainText?? + zwiki

Hi! Nice to hear that this feature is already supported. Unfortunately i had no success with the suggested solution yet. I added the new funtion to ZWikiPage.py and in the editform the following lines:

  <OPTION value="textlink"
  <dtml-if "page_type == 'textlink'">SELECTED</dtml-if>>
  text + links
  </OPTION>

Did i miss anything?? - FloK


Simon Michael, 2002/09/13 16:39 GMT (via mail):
Hi Florian - here's my code and editform for comparison. The last one cannot be found. --FloK Sorry, fixed.


Simon Michael, 2002/09/14 01:40 GMT (via mail):
I made some progress on InternationalCharactersInPageNames, inspired by Lalo and others. The server is a bit more bloated than usual as a result, some refactoring is needed.

I was planning to reorganize the WikiTrails? into user, admin and developer trails. I still think trails make sense, but I am leaning towards removing them for now. It feels to me as if too many links are making pages harder to read.

Sunday is the 15th, when we go to bugfix mode for 0.11 (code yellow!). So if you have any wild features to check in, now would be the time (how's things going J-David ?) but I'll be quite content for this to be mainly a bugfix release.

Happy weekend, all..


2002/09/15 18:19 GMT (via web):
Hi All, I just downloaded zwiki and installed it. It all looks functional and I'm sure it is a great product, but I think some work might be done on the out-of-the-box experience. The first thing with an app like this, is make it look the way I want it. I have been searching for any hint about this for about half an hour, but nothing, except some arcane references to standard_wiki_header, but I could not find any example implementations, other then one link that didn't work. Don't get me wrong, I really think it is a great product and I'm sure I will get it up and running. But I have been using too many Zope products that were great, but no easy to get running.

Douwe Osinga dmo at oberon dot nl


2002/09/15 21:23 GMT (via web):
Douwe - it used to be more obvious, and will improve again. Thanks for the input. --SM


2002/09/15 22:54 GMT (via web):
Hi All, I found it, I think, on disk in the templates directory. Are there anymore templates to choose from, or is there a howto on this?

Douwe Osinga dmo at oberon dot nl


2002/09/15 23:05 GMT (via web):
First, apply the fixes for 0.10's #225 custom wikipage page templates don't work right and [[[#228 zwiki 0.10.0 ignores standard_wiki_header/standard_wiki_footer DTML methods] zwiki 0.10.0 ignores standard_wiki_header/standard_wiki_footer DTML methods] zwiki 0.10.0 ignores standard_wiki_header/standard_wiki_footer DTML methods], or use the cvs version. Then in your wiki folder create either standard_wiki_header & standard_wiki_footer DTML methods or a wikipage page template. Use the default content in ZWiki/templates/defaults as a starting point.


2002/09/15 23:52 GMT (via web):
hello, I'm having some problems with the page_type attribute (running zope 2.5.1 and zwiki 0.10). when I change it under the "properties" tab and click the "properties" tab again, it goes back to whatever type it was before. I have the correct permissions. so I don't seem to be able to change the page_type. am I doing something wrong? tia.

sean at rootnode dot com


2002/09/16 00:13 GMT (via web):
Hmm, don't see that here. Browser caching issue ? Are you able to change it using the editform ?


2002/09/16 05:17 GMT (via web):
Cleaned up RestructuredText page. Attempt at kicking off a discussion.

I've been using my personal wiki for journaling, and considering the BlogFace as a better means for multiple team members doing the same.

Anyone had bad luck or major surprises with Blogface? ZWikiAndBlogFace?


Jay, Dylan, 2002/09/16 05:51 GMT (via mail):
Ok Simon, I got another quick piece of functionality to suggest. RoundUp? (not sure if it's still going) was an issue tracking with interesting threaded email support. Something I really liked was that it would post the first message of a thread to a general list and if you replied it would autosubscribe you to that thread, otherwise you wouldn't hear about it again.

What I'm suggesting is that if I send an email to page as I just did (to RestructuredText page) that I should be automatically subscribed to that page, which is I think a good default because by submitting information I'm showing enough interest that I would most likely like to be subscribed. If I then want to take myself off of it, I would just unsubscribe (do so should probably be easier too, e.g. url at the end of every message, or keyword in subject).

Any thoughts?


WimBekker, 2002/09/16 14:43 GMT (via web):
Maybe more related to ZoPe, but how can I change my ZWikiWeb? from one server to another (on the same LAN)?


2002/09/16 15:00 GMT (via web):
Dylan - I think that's a great idea, we'll try it.

Wim - one way is to export your wiki folder, move the .zexp file to your new server's import directory, and import it. The ZSyncer product is another.


2002/09/16 15:09 GMT (via web):
I've just started using a text-mode browser as my primary browser (w3m) and I'm loving it. Tip: I was having a problem accessing zwiki.org due to an accepts-language header that Localizer didn't like. You may need to remove the ";q=1' in the options screen.

Browsing WikiWikiWeb (or WardsWiki, as it's also known) has become much more efficient. I looked around for the first time in a while and saw great signs of continued growth (no surprise) and also high signal to noise ratio. The WikiWikiWeb:NewUserPages and WikiWikiWeb:TourBusStop are looking really good.


2002/09/16 19:20 GMT (via web):
Merged CMFWiki (I did this yesterday, but forgot to check it in). There are questions to answer about migration/compatibility/skins but it mostly works.


Jordan, 2002/09/16 20:12 GMT (via web):
Would there be an easy way to add an option in the editform that allowed authors to decide whether or not to support comments on a particular wiki page? This could be checked as an option whenever creating or editing a page. Suggestions?


Jordan, 2002/09/16 20:18 GMT (via web):
Would there be an easy way to add an option in the editform that allowed authors to decide whether or not to support comments on a particular wiki page? This could be checked as an option whenever creating or editing a page. Suggestions?


2002/09/16 21:08 GMT (via web):
RegulatingYourPages


Jay, Dylan, 2002/09/16 23:44 GMT (via mail):

> RegulatingYourPages

I wonder how this was turned on. Does WikiForNow really put regulations on the editform? It makes the form really cluttered :(


2002/09/17 02:04 GMT (via web):
So don't turn it on. :)


2002/09/17 02:35 GMT (via web):
you miss my point. The regulation page is a fantastic idea. I was just wondering out loud if it wasn't better on it's own page. I think that's how zope.org does it.


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/09/17 15:43 GMT (via web):
I think I may have encountered a new bug with the 0.10.0 standard_error_message, details here : http://zwiki.org/DeansUpgrade#sem


Jordan, 2002/09/17 21:21 GMT (via web):
How do you make the page hierarchy show as the default in 0.10- without forcng users turn it on in their UserOptions??


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/09/18 02:02 GMT (via web):
Whew! Just went through HowToAddAZwikiCatalog? , and ZwikiIssueTracker .

I don't have fuzzy mathing. :-(

I can't get the front page links current product issues and closed issues to work on my setup ( DeansUpgrade? ) to work. Other notes on the pages above.


Simon, 2002/09/18 05:37 GMT (via web):
14-day pack: 445->74 Mb


Simon, 2002/09/18 05:41 GMT (via web):
Er wait - that's 165Mb.

Between memory and disk space, and imeme clamping down on fat boys like myself, zwiki.org has some serious bloat issues to resolve.


Wim Bekker, 2002/09/18 14:45 GMT (via mail):
I've version 0.10 just installed. When I added a page in the ZMI, Save Changes and View the file, my changes are not visible. I have to go to the editform, change the contents and click Change to see my changes.


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/09/18 15:58 GMT (via web):
Wim, That sounds familier. I think that may be a general Zope ZMI issue. See my similar question and responses at the top of this page.


JohnGreenaway, 2002/09/18 20:03 GMT (via web):
Just upgraded to zwiki 0.10 on a clean copy of zope. Decided to keep notes on exact steps taken, and any issues found. Here goes...

  • Exported our existing wiki
  • Installed clean Zope 2.5.1
  • Went to structured text / HTMLClass.py to fix the silly <p> inside <li> issue.
  • Put zwiki, localFS and refresh products into the products folder.
  • Started zope, imported wiki.
  • View. Works straight away. Our header/footer doesn't show up though...
  • Went to KnownIssues. Saw issues listed and applied fixes. Refreshed.
  • Error appears now. Search for error. See from GeneralDiscussion line #267 needs commenting out.
  • All working now. Time taken around 30 mins.
  • Did the AddingSmiliesPatch ;)

Not bad really. Think the KnownIssues page worked well. Nice to have a list of the tracker issues associated with each release.


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/09/18 20:51 GMT (via web):
Thanks for the narration John. Very encouraging. What OS ?

Do you have any trouble editing standard_error_message ? If different than http://zwiki.org/standard_error_message/view_source could you post it?

I think this is why my page matching isn't working, either.

  • DeansUpgrade?


JohnGreenaway, 2002/09/18 21:33 GMT (via web):
Installed on XP. Prod server will be NT.

Haven't got a standard_error_message (never had one in our existing wiki), so I've just got the one from http://zwiki.org/standard_error_message/view_source and tried it.

Type in a non existant page and it appears and says "could not find - create, search etc". Underneath that a stack trace appears. Same as you mention on DeansUpgrade?. I'm assuming it's not supposed to show a trace. Fuzzy matching isn't working from the url.

Looking at the source of the error page I'd rather SERVER_URL was the wiki path instead. Otherwise it trys to search / create a page called "wikipath/page" rather than "page".


JordanCarswell, 2002/09/19 02:19 GMT (via web):
> RegulatingYourPages

Okay, I turned this feature on, but the pages are still using security settings from Zope management. No matter what I change in Regulations, the page still conforms to the inherited security settings. Probably I missed a step?


2002/09/19 02:32 GMT (via web):
posting fron rich pinders kickass wireless zaurus at lazug. quick pointer for you guys, i think i added a missing quotes in standard err msg, not in known issues, check cvs. thanks for the install reports, very useful. sm


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/09/19 15:32 GMT (via web):
Thanks, Simon.

I'm having a rotten time with CVS this morning ( CVSRepository ) from Windows and Mac (newb problems...), would you mind posting it, or updating the FrontPage latest cvs (even if it's unusable but files are intact.) ?


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/09/19 16:03 GMT (via web):
Noticed JumpSearch? has been retired. Good thing...confusing to newcomers. An addition to the TODO list may be writing a HowTo? for adding an "I'm Feeling Lucky" button.


Simon, 2002/09/19 21:17 GMT (via web):
Just passing through.. I mean that revision 1.6 . Does that help anything ?

I couldn't figure out what the heck had happened CVSRepository.. until I found CVSRepository. :) Do you think that's better ? I had been leaving things like FAQ and CVS all-capitalized.

Ack, that was http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/zwiki/zwiki/templates/zwikidotorg/standard_error_message.dtml


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/09/19 22:08 GMT (via web):
Dang...got the latest standard_error_message , and still don't have near matching URL's....


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/09/20 18:17 GMT (via web):
Would a WikiBadge be appropriate for the a default value for the with heading field on the comment box?


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/09/20 18:27 GMT (via web):
Egads! My page has become a WikiBadge according to WikiBadges (yep, slow...and the pages aren't turend into links). I'll try to fix that later.

I have learned that my previous comment is completely off the mark, and dtml still looks like the best route for marking a pages with heading default.


Simon, 2002/09/20 19:51 GMT (via web):
It's friday and time for.. Operation Get Dean Out Of Trouble! Dean if you like, msg me on the #zope IRC channel. Not sure of your status with 0.10 - first of all, I can't reproduce http://zwiki.org/DeansUpgrade#sem . Is your standard_error_message the same as 0.10's ? Is it the same as this site's ?


Simon, 2002/09/20 21:26 GMT (via web):
added to PeopleUsingZwiki: "http://tech.nwc.hccs.edu/ - JordanCarswell's university site. Displays wikinames with spaces. Well organized and friendly, you should check out the excellent introductory documentation ." Thanks for posting this link Jordan.


Simon Michael, 2002/09/20 22:15 GMT (via mail):
"Casey Duncan" <casey@zope.com> writes:
> Hey there. Several users have informed me that ExternalEditor would return
> spurious 404 not found errors when trying to save ZWiki pages. I tracked the
> problem down to the PUT handler of the ZWikiPage class and the way it
> handled DAV locks.

Casey - great news, thanks very much. I'll get this into 0.11.

Regards -Simon


Simon Michael, 2002/09/20 23:01 GMT (via mail):
Alexander - thanks for sharing your explorations. It sounds as if we have run in parallel in a few (minor) places - usernames in subscriber lists, wiki-linked plain text, preventing wikilinks within href urls etc. (NB the latter should be resolved in the current release).

I cc your description to GeneralDiscussion for others. I assume you're ready to share that zip but I'll let you post the url here. People interested in multiple wikis, wiki types etc. should also check out the docs at http://www.openideaproject.org/openidea/MAin/HelpPage . (NB: in places where you used "wikis" and "zwikis", I was confused about whether you meant wiki webs or pages).

If later on you want to post individual enhancements as focussed patches against current code, those will stand the best chance of getting into the main codebase, as I'm sure you'll understand. Linus-style :) Either way I'll mine your code for things needed. Thanks!

-Simon

Alexander Van Heuverzwyn writes:
> Hello Simon,
>
> a while a go i posted a comment on your site(as AlexanderVH?) about
> possible improvements on wikis, and you asked for the code. at
> there is zipped
> zwiki code that i based on your zwikicode. It's freely available, but
> the zip as is not clean enough to deliver. It's not running yet on the
> openidea server, but most features are active on the server.
>
> I included zexp files.
> there are a set of modifications
> - it's ment for use in parallel folders that share common dtml methods. So there is a top folder with a set of wikiwebs in
> subfolders. There is a common folder called MAin? (see zexp) that contains all the help. There is a templatefolder(zexp). This
> contains the system type pages that are needed for a new folder. Next to the FrontPage i made a NavigationAids, to separate the
> introductory startpage from the navigational annotated NavigationAids.
>
> an images folder(zexp) and a folder with common methods(zexp). The content of this last folder actually needs to move up a level
> (copy paste) but i couldn't zexp it otherwise.
> - pages have a type, with their own icon, helpfile, template, header and footer. These work with overrides, so you can create new
> types without having to create the support files. there is no subclassing to allow easy switching of types.
> - creation of a new page goes through a selection form to choose type and rendering.
> - interwikilinks can be rendered in different ways. The inlining mechanism means other wikis or any page from anywhere can be
> fetched and included in full or as a tooltip.
> - the remoteurl syntax is generalised to a formatting string, such that the second part of the interwikilink does not necessarily
> come at the end of the url.
> - to fix rendering problems when inlining and simplify the "!" prefixes interwikilink and wikilink mechanism are merged
> - multiple text windows in wiki, using a simple keyword to alternate editable and noneditable parts. backward compatible.
> - email subscription with usernames. can be restricted to usernames only.
> - append can be on top or at bottom.
> - additional rendertype: plaintext formatting, but with wikilinking
>
> several things i need to do first - when i find the time
> - i have undesired wikilinking in urls in anchors
> - adding a simple wiki should still work. So i have to change the default header and footer back
> - make installation easier.
> - improve documentation
> - add readme.
> So you can extract what you want from the current code, or wait. Or i'll clarify on request.
>
> Because i made large changes to the code , merging with your more recent
> code is not obvious.
>
> enjoy :)
>
> Alexander Van Heuverzwyn


Dean Goodmanson, 2002/09/21 02:30 GMT (via mail):

> Is your standard_error_message the same as 0.10's ?
> Is it the same as "this
> site's":/zwikidir/templates/zwikidotorg ?

Yes, thanks to your cvs url. I no longer have the edit problem.

My current low priority problem is case insensitive links.

I'm diving headlong into a nested wiki experiment. Safety zone is that I only have one catalog in the sub-wiki.

I dropped by too late on irc, thanks for the offer.


2002/09/21 16:12 GMT (via web):
I've added a page describing the various options for tracking bugs using Zope apps: ZopeIssueTrackers?. Please add your comments. I think something like this must be mailed to the author of http://linas.org/linux/pm.html (Call Center, Bug Tracking and Project Management Tools for Linux).

-- PieterB


Simon, 2002/09/21 16:47 GMT (via web):
Good idea, interesting link. --Mr. Super-Duper I-am-Head-of-the-Project Big-Shot Might-Be-Linus-Torvalds-Soul-Brother


Simon Michael, 2002/09/22 22:22 GMT (via mail):

> after many hours with zope and zwiki, I'm starting to be productive. I'm no
> slouch, but there definitely is a steep learning curve for customizing and
> fully taking advantage of zwiki if you're not a zope guru.

Thanks for your feedback back in july.. I think these issues are steadily improving, as always these things will change with time and hard work.


> I want more template sites. I might even contribute a skeleton of mine -
> would that be helpful to included in the release?

At one time that was my intention - I invited links & uploads on WikiTemplates, and I built in infrastructure to allow multiple templates to be installed either on the filesystem or in the zodb. That hasn't been used and I was thinking of taking it out. At the moment I've lost interest in bundling content with the release.

The big issue is maintenance, of the content and the dependencies on zwiki's api. If you have something to show, by all means describe it or post screenshots on the wiki, eg on WikiTemplates or right here on GeneralDiscussion. If you have something that's ready to download and be useful to others, and you will be keeping it current as new versions of zwiki are released, that would be great too. Either way I think the wiki will work better as the distribution channel for this kind of thing.


> and lastly, we need a guide that explains how to install apache, then
> zope, then zwiki, then configure apache to redirect a given path to the
> zope root (so there's no :8080), then configure zope to redirect it's
> homepage to a given zwiki. After many months, I'm stilly experimenting

Yes that would be great. There are some starting points pencilled in at ZwikiDocumentation.


Simon Michael, 2002/09/22 22:27 GMT (via mail):
Did I reply to this ?

zwiki@zwiki.org (dhart) writes:
> Great product, Simon! I use Zwiki for collaboration among my business
> partners. Can I buy you a beer? :)

Certainly, I'll a have a pint of stout - ahh, thanks. :)


> They (the business partners) have asked for some new features:
>
> 1. On edit and comment areas, A "send update to subscribers" check box,
> defaulted to "yes".
>
> 2. On edit and comment areas, A "send full document to subscribers" button.
> Possibly with an HTML/STX choice radio button.

These things are easy implement by hacking standard_wiki_footer and possibly with python script helper - eg search for a python script recipe for sending a mail message. You can get the current page's (source) text with eg the text method.


Simon Michael, 2002/09/22 22:28 GMT (via mail):
zwiki@zwiki.org (Jordan) writes:
> How do you make the page hierarchy show as the default in 0.10- without
> forcng users turn it on in their UserOptions??

At present you have to hack all the appropriate dtml conditional statements in the header and footer.


Simon Michael, 2002/09/22 22:31 GMT (via mail):
RFC - I was thinking I'd rename wikipage to wiki_page_template for clarity.


Simon Michael, 2002/09/22 22:58 GMT (via mail):
zwiki@zwiki.org (DeanGoodmanson) writes:
> Whew! Just went through HowToAddAZwikiCatalog? , and ZwikiIssueTracker .
>
> I don't have fuzzy mathing. :-(

Checking - when you said this, I think you meant typing partial urls didn't find the right page (due to a broken standard_error_message). I don't think you meant that eg [front page] failed to link to FrontPage.


Jay, Dylan, 2002/09/22 23:57 GMT (via mail):

> added to PeopleUsingZwiki:
> "http://tech.nwc.hccs.edu/ - JordanCarswell's university
> site. Displays
> wikinames with spaces. Well organized and friendly, you
> should check out
> the excellent "introductory
> documentation":http://tech.nwc.hccs.edu/WikiWeb ."
> Thanks for posting this link Jordan.

Nice layout. I havn't downloaded the latest release, but is it possible to share skins easily yet?


Jay, Dylan, 2002/09/23 01:13 GMT (via mail):

> The big issue is maintenance, of the content and the dependencies on
> zwiki's api. If you have something to show, by all means

Doesn't that indicate that perhaps there is too much dependence on the Zwiki api, or that the api changing too often? If it's hard for you to keep up to date, think how hard it is for everyone else who tries to upgrade. Anyone got any ideas on how best to decouple the templates from zwiki api? From my last look, it seemed that way too much logic is in the templates themselves, which would make it hard.


Jay, Dylan, 2002/09/23 01:16 GMT (via mail):

> RFC - I was thinking I'd rename wikipage to wiki_page_template for
> clarity.

I like names more like "template_wiki_page" since then then templates tend to sit togeather in ZMI


Simon Michael, 2002/09/23 17:23 GMT (via mail):
Dean writes:
> FYI..Make 4 changes to one page, got a zope memory error.. site was down
> for less than 5 seconds.

Thanks.. zope & zwiki is frequently growing to the 100Mb hard limit on this server right now. When I notice, I restart manually; when I'm away, it should die and restart itself. I think occasionally it does not die immediately, making the site unresponsive for some period of time.

I am tracking these things at #232 frequent errors while browsing zwiki.org.


Simon Michael, 2002/09/23 17:34 GMT (via mail):
John, you wrote:
> Looking at the source of the error page I'd rather SERVER_URL was the
> wiki path instead. Otherwise it trys to search / create a page called
> "wikipath/page" rather than "page".

I don't see/understand this problem - if the issue remains, please follow up with a reply addressed to tracker@zwiki.org - thanks.


Simon Michael, 2002/09/23 17:39 GMT (via mail):
zwiki@zwiki.org (JordanCarswell) writes:
> Okay, I turned this feature on, but the pages are still using security
> settings from Zope management.

Jordan - I opened #247 page regulations have no effect ? for tackling this.


Simon Michael, 2002/09/23 19:16 GMT (via mail):
zwiki@zwiki.org (Jay, Dylan) writes:
> I like names more like "template_wiki_page" since then then templates
> tend to sit togeather in ZMI

I do this sometimes too, but for now I'm not persuaded because it's not as self-explanatory when mentioned in beginner documentation, and I think "wiki_page_template" will also typically sit with the other templates & methods at the bottom of wiki folder listing.


Simon Michael, 2002/09/23 19:36 GMT (via mail):
"Alexander Limi" <alexander@limi.net> writes:
> Thank you very much, you just solved one of my major headaches
> concerning Wiki in Plone.

Good, good.


> The other headache is that I need all web code to be Page Templates, so
> we can get a proper Plone interface on it.
>
> Is your code very DTML-centric, or do you cleanly separate logic into
> PythonScripts? or similar? I will do an interface as soon as possible if
> someone can help me get it into Page Templates :)

I'd say "DTML-centric" is accurate. I found that fewer parts was more efficient for me to work on and debug.

Page template support (only slightly broken!) was added in 0.10. Current status is: the major UI pieces (main page layout/backlinks/editform/subscribeform) can be defined with either DTML methods or page templates. Zwiki's built-in defaults are implemented as DTML methods, except for wikipage, which is a straight conversion of the DTML standard_wiki_header & standard_wiki_footer. (I plan to rename this to wiki_page_template). The other three could be converted too, but I'm in no hurry to do so.


> I will need to talk to you about some interface and implementation ideas
> that will enable ZWiki to become more powerful in the CMF context, but I'm
> a bit too tired to do that right now.
>
> Again, thanks - and I hope to be able to make ZWiki have the Plone look
> and feel as soon as possible.

I found this was easy to get, to a certain extent - I put a standard (0.9.9) zwiki in a plone site, and set up minimal standard_wiki_header & standard_wiki_footer that included standard_html_header & standard_html_footer. Voila! Ploneish. It was good of plone to provide those dtml methods.


> Good riddance to CMFWiki.

CMFWiki was the intrepid scout that spent a long time out in the CMF world, reshaping itself and gathering valuable data. Now it has been called in to the collective and it's knowledge assimilated!

Some may prefer to keep using CMFWiki for now, eg because Zwiki's cmf support is immature or because of zwiki's different memory/zodb usage characteristics. The two products should coexist fine.

-Simon


Simon, 2002/09/23 19:50 GMT (via web):
Here's a quick update on CMF status by the way: the current cvs code should work either inside or outside a CMF site. In a CMF site, zwiki pages should work much like CMFWiki pages except with the latest zwiki features. Ie they should show up in the content management ui and be searchable. They don't participate in workflow. Permissions and regulations inside the CMF are not yet implemented. CMFWiki content is not affected.

Like CMFWiki, you have to run an external method to add wiki support to a CMF site. See the instructions in ZWiki/Extensions/CMFInstall?.py. There's a licensing issue to resolve here.

The default content used is CMFWiki's, and the skin is ZWiki's, so there will be things to resolve here.


2002/09/24 04:04 GMT (via web):
Details on the changes made, but page the same comment:

My problem: I'm having a consistent problem with my Zope sites occasionally displaying a cached version of a page, not the recently changed version.

Wim Bekker's problem: I've version 0.10 just installed. When I added a page in the ZMI, Save Changes and View the file, my changes are not visible. I have to go to the editform, change the contents and click Change to see my changes.

I've primarily seen this problem with Squishdot, as I added a link to the ZMI tabbed page for editing. I wonder (with help from expert's insight) if the ZMI may not be updating that page cache properties properly so that the browser isn't refetching the it.


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/09/24 14:40 GMT (via web):
Search issues:

I Removed -d debug parameter.

Lost the trackeback when hitting a page that doesn't match case, but still get the error message, not the redirect. (This may be appropriate, but...)

When I click the "Search for this page" button, I get 0 hits. When I use the standards search techniques for "Frontpage", FrontPage makes the list (along with 2 others, if that matters.)


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/09/24 14:48 GMT (via web):
Looking for clues on how to deal with the following STX trompage..

- 56 This is issue 56
- 58x THis is 59x
- Stop listing my dang < pre> items! 


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/09/24 14:49 GMT (via web):
Alright..it worked fine here, but not on my page. Time to check page types & differences.


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/09/24 15:04 GMT (via web):
OK, all better. I was (once again) stumbling over STX whitespace. Workaround:

  • 56 issue 56
  • 58x put your identifiers after the bullet.
  • Does the river STX leads to reST ?


SimonMichael, 2002/09/24 21:05 GMT (via web):
14-day pack: 222 -> 175Mb

But now, but NOW.. heheheheh.. we have this little beauty which tells us things .

Woah.


SimonMichael, 2002/09/24 22:38 GMT (via web):
Sorry for downtime and upgrade glitches here.. but zwiki.org is now running on zope 2.6b1. :)


2002/09/25 01:50 GMT (via web):
ZWikiandZope2?.6 eh? Any particular 2.6 features help ZWiki?

  • Enhanced text indexing
  • Major improvments to BTree? and Catalog code
  • The much-hated name "STUPID_LOG_FILE" now has a preferred alias: "EVENT_LOG_FILE". ;-)
  • < dtml-var name> and & dtml.-name; will now automatically HTML-quote unsafe data taken implictly from the REQUEST object. (spaces added..)

Gotta stop, can continue on request.

BTW, what's the < unknown> object in the zodb analyzer?


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/09/25 15:49 GMT (via web):
I'm noticing I'm putting a lot of make decision here type of comments in my personal wiki.

Would you track them by a unique search phrase or badge (TbD? ??) ? Other suggestions?


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/09/25 16:44 GMT (via web):
Whine-o-the-day.. The pages returned/listed on WikiBadges are not WikiLinks?

I tried changing

this: < li>< dtml-var id>
to: < li>< a href="GeneralDiscussion200209">< dtml-var id>< /a>
with no success. Suggestions?


Simon Michael, 2002/09/25 19:56 GMT (via mail):
zwiki.org's IP address changed unexpectedly (to 216.17.130.20) this morning, costing me and probably some of you some time. The DNS change may take some time to reach everyone.

I'm tired right now.. I'll come back later and do the prerelease with a fresh mind. I realize it will be the 26th for most of you. Mumble might get in another bugfix or two mumble..


2002/09/25 20:18 GMT (via web):
a. Sleep! :-)

b. I think email subscriptions are down.


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/09/26 02:40 GMT (via web):
I hope that's Simon experimenting with ZWiki < dtml .. > pages in RecentChanges? ! !


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/09/26 02:42 GMT (via web):
Re-opened AcquisitionProblems for anyone interested in nesting Zwiki instances.


SimonMichael, 2002/09/26 02:58 GMT (via web):
[[#270 with zope 2.6.0, dtml pages like UserOptions, RecentChanges, SearchPage are broken] with zope 2.6.0, dtml pages like UserOptions?, RecentChanges?, SearchPage? are broken] & #272 ZMI, ftp broken in zwiki.org & other folders after 2.6 upgrade are making things difficult here. You may want to avoid editing pages containing DTML until the former is resolved. I had to resort to the debugger to edit FrontPage just now. :)

Wow look at that (FastChanges?) - some mis-step of mine created a page whose name is the entire text of FrontPage. And it worked! Good test for freeform page names.

I tried to solve [[#270 with zope 2.6.0, dtml pages like UserOptions, RecentChanges, SearchPage are broken] with zope 2.6.0, dtml pages like UserOptions?, RecentChanges?, SearchPage? are broken], but this can't wait. 0.11.0rc1 is out, please install and stress-test at will.

http://zwiki.org/releases/ZWiki-0.11.0rc1.tgz


SimonMichael, 2002/09/26 03:03 GMT (via web):
http://zwiki.org/ReleaseNotes

Summary:

Bugfixes, international page names, edit log notes, WikiForNow assimilation completed, CMFWiki integration (alpha).


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/09/26 18:04 GMT (via web):
I can't find the dtml code to plop on a page to hide the header and footer. Could someone lend a hand?


JohnGreenaway, 2002/09/26 18:12 GMT (via web):
< dtml-call "REQUEST.set('bare',1)">


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/09/26 18:14 GMT (via web):
Thanks a lot, John.


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/09/26 20:37 GMT (via web):
Page updates seem a bit slower since before my upgrade and adding catalog.

I have a relatively small wiki, SCSCI HD disk, 500Mhz mac and 256M of RAM. Are there caching or other options I could change to keep edits and comments quick?

Perhaps using mail_outs is the bottleneck..


SimonMichael, 2002/09/26 23:22 GMT (via web):
Dean I'd like to find out more. Could you open an issue for this ?


2002/09/27 00:18 GMT (via web):
It's not actually un-usable. Edits take ~4 seconds sometimes faster, only rarely longer (10+ seconds). The DB size is ~6 meg,and it has grown to >30 meg twice with heavy use. I'm using a vanilla Zope build (spvi OSX) with no apache, etc.

I was just moseying around ZCatalog and noticed some of the options noting caching rules, and wanted to squeak before I tweeked. Let me know if it's really worth an issue, or how detailed/vague you want an issue tracked for.


SimonMichael, 2002/09/27 01:09 GMT (via web):
This topic is definitely worth one or more issues sooner or later, but it's up to you if you want to pursue it right now. I'm also gathering data from my own installations.


2002/09/27 06:14 GMT (via web):
Hoo! Did 2.6 do away with the spaces between list items ?

  • That's
  • a
  • big
  • deal.


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/09/27 14:44 GMT (via web):

  1. Amazing Deal!
  2. 2. Where's the Count when you need him?

break...

a. This is "a."...does it still turn it into a number?

b. This is a test, only a test..


SimonMichael, 2002/09/27 18:40 GMT (via web):
Fixed #273 structured text converts initial word followed by a period into a bullet item, released http://zwiki.org/releases/ZWiki-0.11.0rc2.tgz .


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/09/27 23:22 GMT (via web):
I'm trying to display my ZWiki AnnoyingQuote in my squishdot instance... wiki site: \wiki\

Calling this from my weblog fails, no AnnoyingQuote ... < dtml-let quotes="_.string.split(AnnoyingQuote.raw,'\n')">

squishdot site: \weblog

< dtml-let quotes="_.string.split(wiki/AnnoyingQuote.raw,'\n')"> Fails. Help a newbie out?


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/09/27 23:34 GMT (via web):
Spent some time in the zope book.... forgot about < dtml-with wiki>


2002/09/30 10:55 GMT (via web):
Hi!

Zwiki puts an HTML-Code between the header and the content. Is there a possibility to edit this Code or to avoid it?


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/09/30 15:36 GMT (via web):
Simon: I haven't seen the speed issues I mentioned awhileback, so will wait to post an issue.

We were on a wireless network at the time, getting a noticably slow connection for all network traffic.


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/09/30 17:45 GMT (via web):
WikiBadges don't included seperators between the list groups.

This isn't an issue on this site, as each heading has bullet points, but when there are no bullet points the headings weren't displayed properly.

I added < br>'s,but that mucked up the indention.

Anybody USE WikiBadges ?


SimonMichael, 2002/09/30 19:07 GMT (via web):
Hi Dean.. I haven't touched it in a long time. Feel free to update.


Simon Michael, 2002/09/30 19:11 GMT (via mail):

> Zwiki puts an HTML-Code between the header and the content. Is there a
> possibility to edit this Code or to avoid it?

What's an HTML-Code ? You don't mean #112 structured text pages have extra html & body tags, and are not valid html/xhtml do you ?


JordanCarswell, 2002/09/30 22:44 GMT (via web):
I'm encountering a weird problem since I upgraded to ZWiki 0.11.0rc2. If I set permissions to allow only Managers to add comments, the comments textbox disappears (and yes that's when I'm logged in as a Manager). Now when I set "Add Comments" to Anonymous, the textbox shows up again which suprised me. Plus, the Manage Page info doesn't appear at all. I haven't had any problems editing pages.

When I am browsing the site from the browser on my server, everything works fine- permissions behave as they should. So this is some kind of conflict of permissions, but I can't figure out what. Any help would be appreciated.