JordanCarswell, 2002/10/01 01:16 GMT (via web):
My above comment is not very clear as I read it back. Let me try to restate it. I upgraded to ZWiki 0.11.0rc2. When I create a new Wiki Web, the default FrontPage has a link in the introduction to Edit. I am prompted to login-which I do. I am able to edit the page so I have been authenticated. But when I return to the page, the comments box and the menu link to Edit don't appear like I would expect them to since I have logged in already. Instead, I have to log in to the ZMI and then return to my Wiki Web and only then do the comment box and Edit link at the bottom of the page appear. Why wouldn't they have shown up before?


JordanCarswell, 2002/10/01 04:07 GMT (via web):
Nevermind, I figured it out. I just needed a cookie to hold the authentication and that sorted my problem out. Sorry to take up the space, but the latest ZWiki features are so cool that I got rushed to get it working and lost my train of thought (ZwikiMania) ;-)


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/01 14:11 GMT (via web):
ZwikiMania created...looking forward to your additions!


Simon Michael, 2002/10/01 18:42 GMT (via mail):
Ok.. thanks, all you testers. There she goes, 0.11.0, let's see how she floats.


SimonMichael, 2002/10/01 19:54 GMT (via web):
^
|
is going on wiki cleanup walkabout


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/01 22:08 GMT (via web):
My subscriber_list property list is empty, yet I'm still getting administration emails.

Any suggestions for debugging?


SimonMichael, 2002/10/01 22:48 GMT (via web):
Have you checked both page and folder ?


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/01 22:55 GMT (via web):

> Have you checked both page and folder ?

Yes.


SimonMichael, 2002/10/01 23:10 GMT (via web):
Next I might (assuming a debugger isn't available) add these to the mailing page and see what they give:

 <dtml-var "subscriberList()">
 <dtml-var "wikiSubscriberList()">


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/02 16:26 GMT (via web):
I added those to values, and got back a "[]" for subscriberList and [''] for wikiSubscriberList


SimonMichael, 2002/10/02 18:07 GMT (via web):
Ok next, if you'd like, let's see the complete raw text of the message you received.


2002/10/02 19:09 GMT (via web):
hi, using 0.11.0 in a CMF1.3 site, installed it with the External Method, everything is ok, but it the wiki folder i added does not seem to be pulling standard_html_header from zwiki skins in portal_skins. i have a standard_html header in the skin path folder that is listed first, yet no joy. any ideas?


Simon Michael, 2002/10/02 19:55 GMT (via mail):

> hi, using 0.11.0 in a CMF1.3 site, installed it with the External
> Method, everything is ok, but it the wiki folder i added does not seem
> to be pulling standard_html_header from zwiki skins in portal_skins. i
> have a standard_html header in the skin path folder that is listed
> first, yet no joy. any ideas?

Zwiki 0.11 ignores CMF skins. To make that work, you would uncomment __call__ in CMF.py and modify ZWikiPage.py's __call__ to work like __init__. That would be a step in the right direction anyhow. Otherwise, put the standard_html_header in or above the wiki folder for the time being.


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/02 20:11 GMT (via web):
Simon (phantom mail thread) :

Raw Text:

 Mail settings

 subscriberList

 <dtml-var "subscriberList()">

 wikiSubscriberList

 <dtml-var "wikiSubscriberList()">

(stx indentation added...)


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/02 20:24 GMT (via web):
Strange ZMI bug. I can't change page Title 's from the ZMI for Zwiki Pages. I can rename them. Zope 2.5.1 OS X.

Only possibley related Zope bug I could find: http://collector.zope.org/ZopeOrg/46/ISSUE_TRANSCRIPT/view .

I don't see anything in ZwikiIssueTracker when searching for Title.

Workaround: Copy contents and properites, Delete, re-create, paste.


Simon Michael, 2002/10/02 20:39 GMT (via mail):

> Simon (phantom mail thread) :

Dean - I meant the complete text of the message including all headers. I hope we won't take much longer to clarify this but if you want to take this thread to a tracker issue that's fine too.


matt wilbert, 2002/10/02 20:46 GMT (via mail):
My attempts to post or mail an actual problem have been failing miserably, so I am going to try this very short message. If it works, more to follow.


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/02 20:49 GMT (via web):
Simon - Sorry :-( It's only minor on this end, so when I figure out how to and setup zope debugging (beyond a proxy trace) I'll raise the issue again. Much bigger fish to fry. Anything in particular you'd like help on for the next version?


matt wilbert, 2002/10/02 21:00 GMT (via mail):
Hi all,

Upgraded from 0.8.1 to 0.11. I now have two problems which I didn't have before:

1) Searching/Recent Changes work, but the entries that are returned look like

[NameOfPage]?? and the links are not functional.

2) If I try to do UserOptions?, I get:

invalid syntax , for tag dtml-let e="(ZopeTime() + 365).rfc822()" on line 14 of UserOptions? (arrow brackets removed in hope of getting through the mailer!)

Any ideas? Thanks!


Simon Michael, 2002/10/02 21:24 GMT (via mail):
zwiki@zwiki.org (DeanGoodmanson) writes:
> Simon - Sorry :-( It's only minor on this end, so when I figure out how
> to and setup zope debugging (beyond a proxy trace) I'll raise the issue
> again. Much bigger fish to fry.

Ok, good luck. I don't see why that page would be sending you mail, perhaps examining the message headers will be enlightening.


> Anything in particular you'd like help on for the next version?

Thanks - right now I'll say anything that looks fun/important/doable to you. Unit tests and issue resolutions are always valuable. SimonMichael and the tracker have some ideas if you need them.


Simon Michael, 2002/10/02 21:28 GMT (via mail):
zwiki@zwiki.org (matt wilbert) writes:
> Upgraded from 0.8.1 to 0.11.
> I now have two problems which I didn't have before:

Matt - replace your UserOptions?/SearchPage?/RecentChanges? pages with the up-to-date versions, eg from ZWiki/templates/zwikidotorg. Also see UpgradeGuide? and UpgradeGuide?.

Does that help ?


Wilbert, Matt (ENV), 2002/10/02 22:05 GMT (via mail):
Thanks for the reply. I had reviewed the TenMinute? page, but somehow didn't realize the UserOptions? /RecentChanges?/SearchPage? stuff applied to me. Brilliant

Unfortunately, , I have now replaced the old pages with the new ones from the template directory, but I can't say the situation looks much better.

UserOptions? looks OK except that all the fields that should have stuff in them (other than "no") have dtml-var tags or pieces thereof. Same thing for RecentChanges?. SearchPage? seems to be displaying some dtml and some things that should be in dtml-comments. All the alternative search engines are filled in with "dtml-var expr missing"

I have another piece of information. If I try creating a new WikiName on an existing page, that works, but if I try to instantiate the page I get "could not render this" and an empty textarea. But if I enter something into the text area and save it, it works and then the new page is OK.

Any ideas how I could have screwed this up?

Thanks, ---------- Original Text ----------

From: "Simon Michael" <zwiki@zwiki.org>, on 10/02/2002 5:28 PM:

zwiki@zwiki.org (matt wilbert) writes:
> Upgraded from 0.8.1 to 0.11.
> I now have two problems which I didn't have before:

Matt - replace your UserOptions?/SearchPage?/RecentChanges? pages with the up-to-date versions, eg from ZWiki/templates/zwikidotorg. Also see UpgradeGuide? and UpgradeGuide?.

Does that help ?

-- forwarded from http://zwiki.org/GeneralDiscussion


Simon Michael, 2002/10/02 22:34 GMT (via mail):
zwiki@zwiki.org (Wilbert, Matt (ENV)) writes:
> UserOptions? looks OK except that all the fields that should have stuff
> in them (other than "no") have dtml-var tags or pieces thereof. Same

Could you try these things:

  1. does visiting "http://.../UserOptions/clearCache" help ?
  2. what's the page_type at "http://.../UserOptions/manage_propertiesForm" ?


> I have another piece of information. If I try creating a new WikiName on
> an existing page, that works, but if I try to instantiate the page I get
> "could not render this" and an empty textarea.

I think this is the 3.1 section on TMZUG - ie you have an old standard_wiki_header and you need to delete it or update it. But first, if you would, view source and save the traceback you'll find there. Is it similar to the one at http://zwiki.org/IssueNo0233 ?

Thanks


SimonMichael, 2002/10/02 22:42 GMT (via web):
PS or, it may be you have an old editform and need to delete or update that. Or all of the above.


matt wilbert, 2002/10/02 22:58 GMT (via mail):
The page_type shown for UserOptions? in manage_propertiesForm is stxprelinkhtml. That was a good call on your part, because changing it to stxprelinkdtmlhtml made the page display correctly (or at least what I think it correctly). Making the same change for RecentChanges? and SearchPage? fixed them too.

Since that seemed to be the problem I didn't try the UserOptions?/clearCache.

The traceback in the page source (after the could not render object error) looks like this:

 Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/tools/Zope/lib/python/Products/ZWiki/ZWikiPage.py", line 2557, in standard_wiki_header
    return self.folder().standard_wiki_header(self,REQUEST)
  File "/usr/tools/Zope-2.5.0a2-src/lib/python/OFS/DTMLMethod.py", line 195, in __call__
    r=apply(HTML.__call__, (self, client, REQUEST), kw)
  File "/usr/tools/Zope-2.5.0a2-src/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py", line 545, in __call__
    try: result = render_blocks(self._v_blocks, md)
  File "/usr/tools/Zope-2.5.0a2-src/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Util.py", line 231, in eval
    return eval(code, d)
  File "<string>", line 2, in f
  File "/usr/tools/Zope/lib/python/Products/ZWiki/Parents.py", line 149, in context
    realid=self.pageWithName(myid).id())
 AttributeError: 'None' object has no attribute 'id'

And as far as I know that problem with editing a new page is the only one left.

Thanks for your help.


matt wilbert, 2002/10/02 23:02 GMT (via mail):
Yep, I deleted editform and it now works correctly.

Thanks for all your help--I've been wanting to upgrade for a while (previously to .10) and now I can!


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/03 22:07 GMT (via web):
Got a case of using a tool for something different than intended, and running into constrained functionality.

I like RemoteWikiURL: functionality. I was hoping to use it to reference anchor name's on another page. MileStone:1, for example, with the MileStone? page containing a RemoteWikiURL: to itself.

  1. RemoteWikiURL's require the full H TTP://.... path recognition. Not sure why the enforcement, but it's workaroundable. (Not my primary issue!)
  2. When using a RemoteWikiURL, the remote wiki page must be a Wiki name, and brackets don't count.

Realistically, what I'm looking for is a new feature, RemoteURL? , which have no restrictions on the parameter's of the defenition or implementation parameters.

Looking forward to your feedback.


Nicolas Pettiaux, 2002/10/06 23:04 GMT (via mail):
I have 2 questions about zwiki about which I do not find answer on these

1/ Does it integrate well with CMF and the newer Plone buld on top of the CMF?

I have read http://zwiki.org/CMFWiki and other pages references when looking for CMF into zwiki.org, but could not find help on how to install and use zwiki inside a CMF.

2/ I need a wiki in French. Has zwiki been internationalised ?

I looked at http://zwiki.org/ZwikiInternationalisation and other, but could not get the answer I was looking for: I want a zwiki with an interface in French. Does that exist ? If not, How can I help build one ?

(I noted that wikipedia.org is apparently built with zwiki - a very good point for zwiki - and it does offer a French interface)

Thank you very much,

Nicolas


Simon Michael, 2002/10/07 04:23 GMT (via mail):
zwiki@zwiki.org (Nicolas Pettiaux) writes:
> 1/ Does it integrate well with CMF and the newer Plone buld on top of the
> CMF ?

To a certain extent, but it's marked "alpha" as you'll see in the release notes. I think skins and permissions need more work, that's as much as I know.


> I have read http://zwiki.org/CMFWiki and other pages references when
> look ing for CMF into zwiki.org, but could not find help on how to
> install and use zwiki inside a CMF.

They're all a bit out of date and cluttered with old discussion. With zwiki 0.11, see the instructions in ZWiki/Extensions/CMFInstall?.py .


> 2/ I need a wiki in French. Has zwiki been internationalised ?

This is also in progress. You can use accented characters in pages and page names; internationalisation and localisation of zwiki's UI has been started but still has some way to go, alas.


> (I noted that wikipedia.org is apparently built with zwiki - a very good

No it isn't, it just looked that way because of text they copied to the "Wiki software" page. Fixed.

Hope this helps.


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/07 04:32 GMT (via web):
Making headway on Issue0276 : (I think...)

  1. ZWIKI_PAGE_TYPES needs issuedtml added
  2. Parent folder Wiki links are in a Tracker page are not render-able.


Nicolas Pettiaux, 2002/10/07 05:24 GMT (via mail):
Le Lundi 7 Octobre 2002 06:23, Simon Michael a =E9crit :
> > 1/ Does it integrate well with CMF and the newer Plone buld on top of
> > the CMF ?
>
> To a certain extent, but it's marked "alpha" as you'll see in the relea= se
> notes. I think skins and permissions need more work, that's as much as = I
> know.


> They're all a bit out of date and cluttered with old discussion. With
> zwiki 0.11, see the instructions in ZWiki/Extensions/CMFInstall?.py .

Thanks. I'll do.


> > 2/ I need a wiki in French. Has zwiki been internationalised ?
>
> This is also in progress. You can use accented characters in pages and
> page names; internationalisation and localisation of zwiki's UI has bee= n
> started but still has some way to go, alas.

What can I do to help, knowing that I am NOT good at programming ?


> > (I noted that wikipedia.org is apparently built with zwiki - a very
>
> good
>
> No it isn't, it just looked that way because of text they copied to the
> "Wiki software" page. Fixed.

What do you mean ?=20

I suppose some og these customisation can be ported to zwiki. It would at= =20 least quickly get some instruction, howto, formatting rules in other=20 languages.

Thanks,

Nicolas


JordanCarswell, 2002/10/07 18:31 GMT (via web):
Simon, I've noticed an issue with the freeform page names. In the site map, the links are mapped to the title of the page, which may be different from the page id if you're using freeform names. This problem also shows up in the backlinks within pages in the "title" attribute of Wiki Names (you get "xxx wiki bug - couldn't find page").

I would think that b/c a page's title may different than its id due to freeform names, you would always want a link to the page to map to the page id, but when dispplaying the page's name allow it to be referred to by its title.


Simon Michael, 2002/10/08 17:08 GMT (via mail):
Juan David Ib=E1=F1ez Palomar <j-david@noos.fr> writes:
> It will bring the first multilingual DTML page, and some
> infraestructure code. But you don't need to wait more, I
> did the checking yesterday night.

Great news! Thanks!


Simon Michael, 2002/10/08 17:15 GMT (via mail):
Forwarding..

Juan David Ib=E1=F1ez Palomar <j-david@noos.fr> writes:
>>What can I do to help, knowing that I am NOT good at programming ?
>>
>
> Start creating a new instance of Zope (last 2.6 version),
> then install Localizer 0.9.1 and check out ZWiki from the
> CVS. With this you'll have a system ready to test and help.
> If you aren't familiar with Gettext read the documentation,
> (only the section for translators). Finally install a tool
> to edit the PO files, KBabel? for example.
>
> Then just wait until I do the first checkin, it will be
> soon, I'll try to do it this week and reply again with
> more instructions.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> --=20
> J. David Ib=E1=F1ez, http://www.j-david.net
> Software Engineer / Ing=E9nieur Logiciel / Ingeniero de Software


Simon Michael, 2002/10/08 17:16 GMT (via mail):
Juan David Ib=E1=F1ez Palomar <j-david@noos.fr> writes:
>> If I understand, Localizer 0.9.1 + recent Zope + recent zwiki =3D a
>> system that is zwiki with a French interface ?
>
> No, not yet, we're working on it.
>
>>Why do I have to wait for a checkin ? What will it bring ?
>
> It will bring the first multilingual DTML page, and some
> infraestructure code. But you don't need to wait more, I
> did the checking yesterday night.
>
> So, if you have Zope 2.6.0b1 + Localizer 0.9.1 + last ZWiki,
> go to the ZWiki directory and type "make mofiles", this will
> generate the MO files from the PO files. Then restart Zope.
> Configure your browser so spanish is the first language. Go
> to the management screens and add a ZWikiWeb?, if everything
> went fine you will see the add form in spanish.
>
> At this stage you can't help too much, there's still some
> work I have to do.
>
> In the meanwhile, and if you want to help (providing the
> french version for example, I'm not going to do it), just
> setup a Zope instance as I explained and get familiarized
> with Gettext. As an exercise you can update the french
> translation of Localizer (the "Localizer/locale/fr.po"
> file) and send it to me, localizing ZWiki will be a similar
> process.


ktenney, 2002/10/09 16:29 GMT (via web):
Howdy, I want a subscription to a page send notice of edits, not just comments.

How?

Thanks, Kent


SimonMichael, 2002/10/09 20:29 GMT (via web):
Kent: set a mailout_policy folder property to edits. Cf QuickReference.


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/09 23:28 GMT (via web):
Someone's run off with the UserOptions? page.


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/09 23:32 GMT (via web):
That was cool. I just dug UserOptions? out of the /recycle_bin/UserOptions? . :-)


SimonMichael, 2002/10/09 23:33 GMT (via web):
Thanks! First use of RecycleBin?. :)


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/09 23:41 GMT (via web):
Wow! that's even better than sneaking through the Zope url!


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/10 19:38 GMT (via web):
Topic: Zwiki for small projects (Somebody please create a page.)

Came across & skimmed this article by Joel "On Software" Spolsky and noted the simplicity of this spreadsheet system project management system matched that of ZwikiIssueTracker . http://joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000245.html

(Note: This bit is more digestable when read with the expectation that it's a blog, not an article or essay.)

Thoughts on implementing it in a ZWiki would be appreciated. See: ZwikiAndProjectManagement (added by PieterB)


Simon Michael, 2002/10/11 02:13 GMT (via mail):
Guido van Rossum <guido@python.org> writes:
> Wikis often wither on the vine: we recently had a semi-disaster in the
> Python community with Wikis, where a Wiki was proposed and created for
> communications regarding backporting of fixes to Python 2.2.2, and then
> left mostly unused. The few people who did use the Wiki found their
> bugs being ignored; most people who backported bugs didn't bother
> updating the Wiki.

Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> writes:
> I've long had the feeling that Wiki's appear to bve a very nice solution
> to this class of problems but just don't work in practice :-(
>
> How do other people feel about this?

I think they can work very well here. They're a versatile tool and like anything else you've got to set them up right and use them effectively. This can take some practice.

Some ways to reduce wiki deadness:

  1. have a fast clutter-free page layout. Surfing the wiki must be fast and content should not be diluted with irrelevant extras.
  2. integrate the wiki seamlessly with email. People should be able to monitor discussion and participate fully from their mail client.
  3. do not make people register to participate.
  4. make changes visible. Email integration as above, a FastChanges? when RecentChanges? gets too slow, automated queries on the front page to highlight key changes, stats, etc..
  5. maintain the wiki. Keep the page hierarchy meaningful (surprisingly easy); delete test and insufficiently useful pages; keep control of ThreadMode? (discussion) by channeling it to a single discussion page, and summarizing or just deleting old comments elsewhere. This can be done by one person or many, but it should get done. It's like refactoring a code base to keep it clean.
  6. few, bigger wikis can be more efficient to maintain and to use than many, smaller wikis

To explore these notions you could take a look at zwiki.org, where some of these things have been prototyped.

For the record, I too like the idea of bringing a simpler PEP-like approach into the zope dev process. The internet has RFC's. Scheme has SRFIs?. It's a good pattern. Zwiki has tracker issues[1], which are numbered (and named); I use these both for bug reports and as mini-PEPs?. So I see no problem with emulating PEPs? in a wiki.

Generally I feel that most of you are having a sub-optimal wiki experience. It's my hope that eventually, or sooner, the community will be using wikis which are leaner, meaner, and taking care of business.

-Simon

..[1] http://zwiki.org/ZwikiTracker


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/11 02:27 GMT (via web):
Simon, would you mind posting a link to the original discussion ?


SimonMichael, 2002/10/11 02:40 GMT (via web):
Sure, I cc'd from this zope3-dev thread: http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope3-dev/2002-October/thread.html#2907


Simon Michael, 2002/10/11 18:45 GMT (via mail):
Hi Jeffrey,

I don't want to become the resident popup wiki zealot.. :) but I'll respond to a few of your points - interesting account, by the way.

Jeffrey P Shell <jeffrey@cuemedia.com> writes:
> This is link after link after link. Compare this to
> - the PEP index is a very simple clean
> structure, one line per PEP, that can be easily scanned.

+1


> Regarding Jim's statement regarding WikiName - I'd rather keep track of
> PEP 218 then AddingABuiltInSetObjectType?. But that's just my preference -

I find concise numbers and descriptive titles useful in different situations. A zwiki page can have both. Zope's id & title come in very handy here.


> Now - all of these organizational views you're talking about are good and
> valid, but Wiki organization techniques tend to make maintenance tricky.
> You have to remember a funky WikiName in order to be categorized properly.

Not sure why. Which of the wiki categorization schemes are you thinking of? WikiBadges ? Page hierarchy ?


> This is something that should be done, but never is. When I did the
> initial WebDAV WriteLocking? project, I decided that I would be a shining
> example of a Wiki maintainer because I HATED every Wiki I came across -
> there were too many links to click on, and most of them were dead ends.
> But, as the project went along, the Wiki and the actual project got
> further and further apart and I eventually fell prey to everything I
> hated. Having all of that stuff on a web page that you have to click,
> click, click, click, edit to get to, and then do the same thing again to
> update another small page, and another, and another,
> in a browser TEXTAREA, all takes time.

(Use ftp, webdav, external editor, browser which invokes a real editor on textareas, etc..)


> With all Wikis, I hear "well, it just needs a good Wiki gardener/editor to
> keep it in check", yet very few people ever step up to that job. It's not
> exactly easy to do (even with all of the organizational effort Ken
> Manheimer has contributed), and feels like a small responsibility in
> contrast with everything else that one has to do in day.

Yes. To all this, and to Chris's response to me a few messages over, I point out that

To me, point 2 argues that we should experiment with a single large zope wiki, to overcome that lack of critical mass and visibility.

-Simon


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/11 19:23 GMT (via web):
Looking for a recommendation on the database cache property values.

  1. What do you have yours set at?
  2. Is there a % of # of objects rule of thumb? e.g. Set the cache at 20% the size of the number of objects. , OR Set it to the number pages in your ZWiki.


SimonMichael, 2002/10/11 20:03 GMT (via web):
Screenshots of the FutureLearningEnvironment? tool: http://fle3.uiah.fi/screen_shots/index.html


2002/10/11 21:26 GMT (via web):
I've been playing around with DeleteMe on the WikiSubscriber page (content moved to ZwikiContributors).

I've merged most bits on ZwikiContributors page (didn't know it existed, and still needs updating!).

Some remarks:

-- PieterB


2002/10/11 21:43 GMT (via web):
Ok, Dean (and others): I created ZwikiAndProjectManagement. Let's get planning!

-- PieterB


Simon Michael, 2002/10/11 21:59 GMT (via mail):

> - i can't find a way to find recycled pages (probably using the ZMI or by

RecycleBin?


> Maybe it's a good idea to be able to extend a search to also search the
> deleted content

You could, but I think it's overkill myself.. people find all this confusing enough already.


> - if you create page's from the searchpage, they are automatically asigned as
> children of the searchpage

Yes. (the only page standard_error_message refers to by name is SearchPage?, to reduce dependencies). Where should they go ?


2002/10/12 15:56 GMT (via web):
Internationalization effort, last update!

I've made some changes to zgettext to correctly parse Python files (now it uses xgettext). This solves a number of problems that showed up in zwiki. To use it the last zgettext from branch-1-0 (Localizer CVS) must be used, and a recent version of the GNU Gettext utilities too (one that is able to parse Python files). This is important only for the internationalization process, if you are a translator you don't need to worry about it.

I'm not going to have time to commit to the internationlization of zwiki in at least one or two weeks. I'll provide support however.

Regards, jdavid


FlorianKonnertz, 2002/10/12 18:49 GMT (via web):
Hello all, this is continued from AdvancedEditOptions?:

Hi Simon! - I upgraded to 0.11. To be sure i didn't miss something with the old WikiWeb?, i added a new one in the ZMI in the same folder, copied a few pages from my current one and set full UserOptions?. The permissions are all set to full rights, all is possible for anonymous. (I document the current configuration here: http://openspirit.homelinux.net/os_portal/noowiki/FloZwikiAdministration) - So it should work, but does not.

I have to change some dtml-stuff i guess, the dtml-footer as someone (you?) advised me on AdvancedEditOptions?: FloK, have you overriden your header/footer? don't forget about the upgradeAll stuff in UpgradeGuide? .

Am i right? Do you have another idea? - Thanks for your help! - cu, FloK


FlorianKonnertz, 2002/10/12 19:14 GMT (via web):
Simon - hmmm... i added another wikiweb and this one had the complete footer. - So i found new heart and read the UpgradeGuide? once again. - It was just about upgrading the footer... EasyGoing?... hehehe...;-) - All the coherences between installed methods, wikis and just downloaded stuff are once again clearer to me now.

Thanks for your time, Simon. - cu, FloK


FlorianKonnertz, 2002/10/13 14:49 GMT (via web):
Hi Simon, hi all, - my first real approach to contribute to the source resp.to a dtml-template: A few questions how to do submitting my changes...

I wanted to structure my RecentChanges page as a table, so i did the appropriate changes in ZMI and then in templates/zwikidotorg/RecentChanges.stxdtml. Would it be ok to submit it via cvs? Or what else should i do before?; post the suggestion?; Ask for need of this improvement(?);

I ask because i assume you had the idea of RecentChangesAsTable? already!? - If yes, for what reason isn't it used? - If no: i like it, see http://openspirit.homelinux.net/os_portal/noowiki/RecentChanges

Looking forward to your answer... - FloK


FlorianKonnertz, 2002/10/13 16:11 GMT (via web):
I recently changed my footer to the current standard (see two msg above). I wanted to rename a page and got a badRequestError:

  Invalid request
  The parameter, pagename, was omitted from the request.
  Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.5.0-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 150, in publish_module
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.5.0-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 114, in publish
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.5.0-src/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 158, in zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: ZWikiWithWebDAV)
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.5.0-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 98, in publish
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.5.0-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 83, in mapply
    (Object: rename)
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.5.0-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 44, in missing_name
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.5.0-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/HTTPResponse.py, line 492, in badRequestError
  BadRequest: (see above)

Has this to do with the change from 2002-08-19?

or is it about newname = pagename in ZWikiPage.py ?

These were the only hints i found right now. - What's wrong? - FloK


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/13 17:46 GMT (via web):
Naive post 010110b:

Is TextIndexNG? a helpful addition to a ZWiki site?

http://www.zope.org/Members/ajung/TextIndexNG/


2002/10/13 22:31 GMT (via web):
The subscribeform for this page doesnt seem to work. I get a zope error. (Bad Request) Is this a know issue?


2002/10/14 07:46 GMT (via web):
Dean, I thought TextIndexNG? was included in Zope 2.6 as default ZCatalog, but I'm not sure.

-- PieterB


FlorianKonnertz, 2002/10/14 12:35 GMT (via web):
I wanted to rename a page and got a badRequestError: - Now it's working - i didn't change anything... - FloK


2002/10/14 17:49 GMT (via web):
I've been wading through Simon's workque and might have the answer to the issue: "why do wikis, emacs & templates/DEFAULTS still appear in checkouts ?".

CVS does not support removal of directories unless you go and hand-modify the repository itself. And there are all kinds of potential gotchas there.

See also: http://mailman.lyra.org/pipermail/viewcvs-dev/2002-June/000743.html

A way that might work from the command-line:

"To schedule files to be removed from the CVS repository, use the CVS remove command. The file can still be retrieved if you checkout a version which still contains it.

To remove a file from the branch you are working on: make sure there are no uncommitted changes; delete the file; run the cvs remove command; run the commit command.

cvs status
rm filename
cvs remove filename
cvs commit filename

Removing Directories
Simply remove all the files from the directory. You do not remove directories from CVS. To prevent empty directories from being created, specify the -P option to update, checkout and export (as we have been doing all along).

See also: http://titanium.dstc.edu.au/version-control/cvs-cmd-basics.shtml

-- PieterB


2002/10/14 18:00 GMT (via web):
Why isn't zwiki spidered anymore: robots.txt doesn't allow any obots why do disallow turnitinbot and scooter seperately?

I think it would be great if a site like this would be indexed by searchengines like Google.

If spiders take the site down, it might be an idea to disallow more pages in the robots.txt

-- PieterB
PieterB


2002/10/14 18:21 GMT (via web):
Sorry, for all the typo's in previous posts.

Last post of the day: I saw the bugtracker of the SubVersion? project has a "bite-sized" field in their bugtracker. Issues classified as "bite-sized" tasks are well-defined and self-contained, and thus suitable for a volunteer looking to get involved with the project. It might be an idea to add some kind of "estimate of amount of work" to the future ZwikiIssueTracker or ZwikiAndProjectManagement, that can be used to filter out small projects/tasks that ZwikiContributors can do.

I also created a ProposalGeneralDiscussionNG for my ideas on improving the GeneralDiscussion. Of course, this proposal is also mentioned on the ZwikiAndProjectManagement.

-- PieterB


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/14 20:18 GMT (via web):
Couple of quick i just noticed...

  1. Changing a page's parent doesn't validate it on the RecentChanges? list. (Good thing for "get me up to date" ,bad for WikiVandelism? ) Perhaps a second watch page for a more detailed recent changes (including all the miniscual changes, and limited to the last week or so, would be helpful for folks keeping an eye on a public wiki.
  2. Is there a URL'able parameter to limit the size of Recent Changes list? (Or possibley the # of days old..) I didn't see a blatent one in the page code.


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/14 20:21 GMT (via web):
A Bite sized project list would be great! Specific Unit Tests would benefit from this category...

Would stuff like "Make the page graphic a more turnkey-able object by doing this _____ " qualify?

WHen? Simon, or other expert, see's a bug that they know how to fix but don't have time, adding what to do would make this even more bite size.


SimonMichael, 2002/10/15 17:16 GMT (via web):
(found server down this morning.. restarted)


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/15 17:33 GMT (via web):

> Yes. (the only page standard_error_message refers to by name is SearchPage?, to reduce dependencies). Where should they go ?

I would prefer singletons.


ktenney, 2002/10/15 19:52 GMT (via web):
I'd love it if the search result page showed a bit of the context the search term was found in.

Kent


JordanCarswell, 2002/10/15 22:16 GMT (via web):
I'm getting a Site Error whenever I have a WikiPage? where the title and id are different. For example, I have a page with the title, "Home Page" (notice the space) and the id, "HomePage" (no space). When the link is generated, it uses the title which is "Home Page", but that is not the file name so it returns an error. Instead a link should have been made using the file's id which matches the filename "HomePage".


JordanCarswell, 2002/10/15 22:22 GMT (via web):
I think the above error is caused by how the link is genereated by Parents.py. Would changing the script to generate the link using only the page's id solve the problem? I have almost no Python experience so I am only guessing...


WimBekker, 2002/10/16 08:45 GMT (via web):
Subscribe gives an (site) error message


2002/10/16 12:58 GMT (via web):
Mmh. I had a look at the webinterface of RoundUp? (see demo at the RoundUp? projectpage. Roundup is a simple-to-use and -install issue-tracking system with command-line, web and e-mail interfaces (based on Python 2.x). This might make a future ZwikiIssueTracker and/or ZwikiAndProjectManagement more compatible with RoundUp?. -- PieterB


2002/10/16 14:53 GMT (via web):
Forget my RecentChanges? feature request, I had overlooked FastChanges?.

..guess I qualify as a WikiWiki:RecentChangesJunkie


JohnGreenaway, 2002/10/16 22:07 GMT (via web):

> I'd love it if the search result page showed a bit of the context the search term was found in

I like this idea. Maybe the half dozen words before & after the match. Bit like google's results.


2002/10/16 22:08 GMT (via web):
I created a second Javascript/HTML mockup for the ZwikiAndProjectManagement. Please have a look at http://gewis.nl/~pieterb/zwiki/pm.html (only tested on Internet Explorer yet).

-- PieterB


2002/10/17 00:32 GMT (via web):
Mozilla's Composite editor ( http://composite.mozdev.org/ ) is NOT Zwiki friendly.

Technically: Lose your STX formatting, readability by toasting the whitespace. (needs html structure stylizing (tidy?) on open/save..)

Philisophically: Text source and rendered output similarities are essentially removed.

Cool concept. Different customer. BTW, Chimera & Phoenix rock.

On this note, a few friends of mine are using ZWiki and not as frustrated with STX as me. They've taken more time to learn the formatting and (non-html) workarounds and creating some great light-weight doc's and notes.

Headings and indentation gotcha's are the primary snags.


FlorianKonnertz, 2002/10/17 02:59 GMT (via web):
I don't get the optional notes in my RecentChanges?. Does anybody know about this prob, if not i try to figure it out myself.

How can i get write access to cvs? Or what's the way to contribute? - FloK


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/17 15:01 GMT (via web):
FloK : I don't see notes in RecentChanges?, just FastChanges? .. and you need a catalog for FastChanges?

Feel free to post a description and link to your changes so we can get a look at them. I'm not able (or have time to find) to post the official process right now.

Wiki Scouting.. SUSHIWiki? : http://eurohost.webmatrixhosting.net/egroise/Wiki.aspx , .Net WikiWiki Port w/ some TWiki features. Quite beta.


FlorianKonnertz, 2002/10/17 19:05 GMT (via web):
DeanG: Ok, you're right... i mixed FC and RC, sorry! - I only have RC at home and for this page i added the formatting with a table with alternating line colors (as in ZMI i.e.). The code is here: http://openspirit.homelinux.net/os_portal/noowiki/FloZwikiSourceContribution, for an example (other colors) see: http://openspirit.homelinux.net/os_portal/noowiki/RecentChanges

FC is what i still need! Where can i get it, please? It's not in the cvs repos., isn't it? A ZCatalog is installed. - The optional notes are all i want, either in RC or in FC...

cu, FloK


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/17 19:59 GMT (via web):
FloK : Can you get FastChanges? by cut-pasting this site's page? ..that's what I've done.


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/18 05:40 GMT (via web):
Played around with adding a parameter to RecentChanges? : http://zwiki.org/RecentChangesNG?num=10

I'm learning why people hate dtml.. When called without hte "num" parameter the catalog section throws (I think) and the non-cataloged section takes over. :-( Help appreciated. (On that note, the folks on #zope lent a great hand to myself and another dtml newbie tonight.)

My code is still broke, and tired, so haven't integrated FloK's alternate colors. ZWiki may need a reset or pack, had some strange slowness & FrontPage crash. (localizer mentioned in the trace.)


2002/10/18 10:11 GMT (via web):
Dean, try the following DTML (untested):

< dtml-unless num>
< dtml-call "REQUEST.set(num, 10)">
< /dtml-unless>

-- PieterB


FlorianKonnertz, 2002/10/18 10:57 GMT (via web):
DeanG: What do you mean by this site's page, please? - I really can't figure it out... - FloK


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/18 14:38 GMT (via web):
FloK: Sorry, knee-jerk response suggesting you cut and past http://zwiki.org/FastChanges/editform

PieterB: I don't think that's my problem, the setting of the value is outside of the try/catch.

(I thought maybe my max pages number was too high, but setting at 9999 instead of 99999 didn't help...)

Perhaps my numPages variable is the wrong type. ..also another dtml-gotcha: < dtml-call "Request.set'num',10>


Simon Michael, 2002/10/18 20:21 GMT (via mail):
zwiki@zwiki.org (FlorianKonnertz) writes:
> I wanted to structure my RecentChanges page as a table, so i did the
> appropriate changes in ZMI and then in
> templates/zwikidotorg/RecentChanges.stxdtml. Would it be ok to submit
> it via cvs? Or what else should i do before?; post the suggestion?; Ask
> for need of this improvement(?);

Hi Florian.. yes, you did right - post a demo url so we can see it, and discuss it here. One other thing you could have done if you wanted is install your version of RecentChanges at RecentChangesAsTable, allowing people to use it here and directly compare it.


> I ask because i assume you had the idea of RecentChangesAsTable
> already!? - If yes, for what reason isn't it used? - If no: i like it,

With many pages it's much slower to render than a non-table layout.


Simon Michael, 2002/10/18 21:38 GMT (via mail):
zwiki@zwiki.org writes:
> Why isn't zwiki spidered anymore: robots.txt
> doesn't allow any obots why do disallow turnitinbot and scooter
> seperately?

Experimenting. Google is allowed since I'm still trying to get it to index the site. I disabled all the others (not that it made much difference) since they were generating a lot of wasteful hits and annoying me.


> I think it would be great if a site like this would be indexed by
> searchengines like Google.

Yeah, me too. Googlebot has been to the site plenty, don't know why we don't show up there.. aha, now we do! Yay.


SimonMichael, 2002/10/18 22:07 GMT (via web):
Comments/mailins to GeneralDiscussion started crashing zope again, so I split it up as per [IssueNo0226 on freebsd, python/zope may crash repeatably when browsing diffs or saving certain pages]. Packing and restarting zope also helped a little. I suspect the short [GeneralDiscussion200210Part2] contains text that makes zwiki's hairy regexps work harder, exercising the python crash.

This is a pain. Bob Finch posted a patch on the issue page which fixed a similar issue for him; I need a little more freebsd know-how to try it here.


Simon Michael, 2002/10/18 22:09 GMT (via mail):
zwiki@zwiki.org (JordanCarswell) writes:
> I'm getting a Site Error whenever I have a WikiPage where the title and
> id are different. For example, I have a page with the title, "Home Page"
> (notice the space) and the id, "HomePage" (no space). When the link is
> generated, it uses the title which is "Home Page", but that is not the
> file name so it returns an error. Instead a link should have been made

Jordan - this is only in the output of context(), when displaying page hierarchy right ? Since the parenting code stores page names (titles) it would have a lot of work to look up the ids, so I punted for the moment. The zwikidotorg standard_error_message makes the links work anyway. Maybe that will solve it for you ?


Simon Michael, 2002/10/18 22:09 GMT (via mail):

> "bite-sized" tasks are well-defined and self-contained, and thus suitable for
> a volunteer looking to get involved with the project. It might be an idea to
> add some kind of "estimate of amount of work" to the future ZwikiTracker or
> ZwikiAndProjectManagement, that can be used to filter out small projects/tasks that
> ZwikiContributors can do.

Pieter - great, this sort of thing is needed. A quick and dirty way to try this is with a WikiBadge.


> I also created a ProposalGeneralDiscussionNG for my ideas on improving the
> GeneralDiscussion. Of course, this proposal is also mentioned on the
> ZwikiAndProjectManagement.

Cool, I'll take a look.


Simon Michael, 2002/10/18 22:09 GMT (via mail):
zwiki@zwiki.org (DeanGoodmanson) writes:
>> Yes. (the only page standard_error_message refers to by name is
>> SearchPage, to reduce dependencies). Where should they go ?
>
> I would prefer singletons.

Yes, I think that would be better. It's not immediately obvious how to do it.


Simon Michael, 2002/10/18 22:19 GMT (via mail):
Simon Michael <simon@joyful.com> writes:
> zwiki@zwiki.org writes:
>> Why isn't zwiki spidered anymore: robots.txt
>> doesn't allow any obots why do disallow turnitinbot and scooter
>> seperately?
>
> Experimenting. Google is allowed since I'm still trying to get it to index

Oh, and this is confusing: a zope bug decapitates the first line of http://zwiki.org/robots.txt. You need to look at http://zwiki.org/robots.txt/view_source .

Hmm, hmm, this is not good. I'm going to change this from a DTML Document to a plain File now.


JordanCarswell, 2002/10/18 22:28 GMT (via web):
Simon - When I get an NotFound error, the root folder's standard_error_message is sent instead of ZWiki's???


JordanCarswell, 2002/10/18 22:35 GMT (via web):
Nevermind- found the fixed version of the message and all is well. Thanks!


SimonMichael, 2002/10/19 01:30 GMT (via web):
AllPages is now a freeform-names-aware group-by-first-letter page listing inspired by JohnGreenaway.


FlorianKonnertz, 2002/10/19 11:13 GMT (via web):
The AllPages TitleIndex is a good and also necessary feature. Thanks! - Have you thought about a WordIndex (of all pages text) too? Some other wikis (don't know which one right now) provide it. - FloK


FlorianKonnertz, 2002/10/19 13:36 GMT (via web):
Check RecentChangesAsTable NOW! Enter your comment at RecentChangesAsTableDiscussion hereafter. :-) FloK


FlorianKonnertz, 2002/10/19 13:55 GMT (via web):
I want to show the page number in NooWiki, as here on ZwikiDotOrg's FrontPage. There are 2571 pages here. But it doesn't work. My catalog is named Catalog also. What else do i have to note? - Hmm... sorry i even don't know how to use _. :-( yet. But please help me learn. - FloK


JohnGreenaway, 2002/10/19 14:15 GMT (via web):
The underscore is the name of the DTML namespace object (just been reading up on DTML ;) ). It just gives you access to various Python methods Not sure why len() isn't returning the size of your Catalog though...


> Have you thought about a WordIndex? (of all pages text) too?

Oddly enough that's just what I was thinking of - see JohnGreenaway


FlorianKonnertz, 2002/10/19 18:11 GMT (via web):
Hey! - Who is UpGrade? Is it a Pseudonym for an upgrading action? :-) FloK


FlorianKonnertz, 2002/10/19 18:31 GMT (via web):
AdvancedSearch features: Is there already a discussion of extending the Search? - I made two suggestions on SearchPage:


FlorianKonnertz, 2002/10/19 19:04 GMT (via web):
What exactly is the difference between RecentChanges and RecentChangesNG? - Please document this a little bit, DeanG! - Does NG mean NewGeneration? - FloK - Thanks DeanG! - FloK, 1021


2002/10/19 21:57 GMT (via web):
I'm not exactly sure the exact def't of NG.. seen it on a couple of "next generation" products (StructuredTextNG) so used it.. That's not a good name.. - DeanG - Ok, DeanNG;-) NG sounds more than a quantum leap, right?! - Would RecentChangesShort be a good name? It has to be a suffix, imo --FloK


SimonMichael, 2002/10/20 20:21 GMT (via web):
I did a python port of fit a few weeks back (see FitWiki) and have now done some preliminary work on running it from zwiki. See FitTests. Checking this in for 0.12 would technically violate the ReleaseProcess but heck, don't we need at least one new feature for 0.12.


Nicolas Pettiaux, 2002/10/20 21:27 GMT (via mail):

I have installed zwiki in my institution, a French speaking public=20 administration in Belgium, where all software must have an interface in=20 French.=20

I have started to translate the documentation .. and before going any fur= ther=20 and duplicate a work that has already been done somewhere, I would like=20

1/ if any of you has already done the job=20

2/ if any of you would be interested by the result / to help translating=20

3/ if there is any better idea that taking the raw pages of the original=20 zwiki (for example through localizer and the usual tools to manipulate .= po=20 files)

Thanks for your help

Nicolas


2002/10/21 04:14 GMT (via web):
Chinese charset problem? when I enter the edit model ,the chinese char turn to [中文] format ?


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/21 04:14 GMT (via web):

>> we need at least one new feature for 0.12.

Make that 2: Zope 2.6.0 support! Aren't the Zope 2.6.0 support issues almost worked out?

Please point out some Bite Size features. Maybe we can get them in for 0.12, but more realistically (looking at the ReleaseProcess dates) 0.13.0.

If order has anything to do w/ priority on your work queue ( SimonMichael ) I'm personally happy with what's on the top of the list, but need some philosophical/vision direction on implemention.


FlorianKonnertz, 2002/10/21 04:18 GMT (via web):
I can't get pages editable for anonymous users in my NooWiki. I set all permissions in the wiki folder, the parent CMF folder, and in root of zope. I executed the CMFWiki patch. (Detailed info on NooWiki:NooWikiAdministration) What else can i try? - Any help greatly appreciated! --FloK


FlorianKonnertz, 2002/10/21 12:13 GMT (via web):
I got some advice on CMFWiki and the permission problem above from a friend, but another (very strange) error occurred. Please see CMFWikiHelp for details. --FloK


FlorianKonnertz, 2002/10/21 13:49 GMT (via web):
New: RecentChangesNGasTable - Check this out with i.e. the Recent20Changes


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/21 21:51 GMT (via web):
Silly complaint, but curious about the reasons..

When flipping through the /diff screens, I have to use the "Return to Page" button rather than a page refresh.


2002/10/22 07:07 GMT (via web):
Will ZWiki full support CMF in the next release? I really love ZWiki and CMF. But the current CMFWiki have many bugs. -- Pan


2002/10/22 09:27 GMT (via web):
Three questions:

And one remark:

-- PieterB (tired of signing his messages in this way ;)


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/22 14:11 GMT (via web):

> Has anybody tried using Zwiki within Plone?

There is a ZWiki at plone.org


FlorianKonnertz, 2002/10/23 07:00 GMT (via web):
Can we have a LinkDatabase here in ZWiki like the one on http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?LinkDatabase ?


Nicolas Pettiaux, 2002/10/23 15:31 GMT (via mail):
I am using, with much pleasure (thank you a lot to all), a zwiki.

Now the following question, how do I have to proceed to backup the wiki in order to save all these precious information ?

(the simplest and most effective way to be sure to easily reinstall everything in case of crash, deletion ... I want to do a daiy backup)

Thanks for your help,

Nicolas


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/23 20:16 GMT (via web):

>> How do I backup a Zwiki ?

a. ZMI Exports of your Zwiki folder object

b. Hard copy backups, search here for pretty printing, /print, etc.

c. Don't rely on mail_out messages for comprehensive backups, a lot of administrivia changes don't get mailed (primarily due to nature of how those changes are made, ZMI, etc..)

d. Keep a copy of your wiki without a lot of content. Make copy to all of your tweeks and special pages there (such as FastChanges , RecycleBin , Catalogs, ZwikiTracker, etc.)

e. Use one of the many ways to (manually and scheduled) backup your Zope database. (Note: ZSyncer may be handy, but be careful as it's not necesarily a "merge" tool..) I think this is what your alluding too...Sorry for lack of detail.


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/23 20:18 GMT (via web):
Dates aren't showing up in my local wiki comments...anyone else have this problem?


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/23 20:20 GMT (via web):
Flok : Could you explain a bit of the benefits of LinkDatabase?


SimonMichael, 2002/10/23 23:04 GMT (via web):
Dean - thanks for the SuggestionsAndComments cleanups. ZwikiFeatureMuseum is a great idea. I suspect we could keep both incorporated and non-incorporated features there. One thing I used to do with the suggestions and problems pages was give each one a concise bold one-line title. This made them easier to scan, more recognizable & distinct, without going the whole way to separate issue pages which seems overkill for this old stuff.

Separate pages seem to be useful more often than not when you have list items that may grow large, or need to be discussed, or when you need to be able to easily search or link or reference an item by name, or list them with sorting or filtering. I'm thinking it may be worth going this route for the [ZwikiFaq]. One page per faq, but also displaying the whole thing on one page via dtml inclusion or the multi-page print method.


SimonMichael, 2002/10/23 23:10 GMT (via web):
Oh, a while back you asked for bite-sized tasks. All the zwiki.org and most of the other stuff on SimonsPlan, and I suppose all open issues in ZwikiTracker meet that definition for some definition of bite-sized. I don't know how big people's mouths are or what flavours they like. How should we proceed ? Maybe I should move more stuff from SimonsPlan to tracker wishlist issues, then at least there's one less place to look.


SimonMichael, 2002/10/23 23:10 GMT (via web):
Need a consistent policy for spelling of very recognizable acronyms: right now we have ZwikiFAQ vs ZwikiCVS.


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/23 23:16 GMT (via web):
D'oh! Just bracketted [ZwikiFaq] for that reason!

Ouch. I messed up the bold headings in SuggestionsAndComments factoring, will re-work.

How to proceed: I think moving delegatable items to the tracker wishlist is a great distinction to those that seem to be implicitly laced with which way to do it questions. Plus, more green lights for the front page! ;-)


Simon Michael, 2002/10/24 03:49 GMT (via mail):
Moved a bunch of cruft (~50 wishlist items) from SimonsPlan to the ZwikiTracker.

Turning these one-liner notes into full-blown wiki pages feels a bit like spamming the wiki, but each one will expand when someone comes to work on it. The wiki & tracker needs to be able to handle a lot of pages, that's all.

To make this easier I used an emacs macro to paste each line into a mail buffer and send it to the tracker, then hammered on the macro a bunch of times. This showed up fragility with simultaneous mailins - some mails got bounced with the "missing docstring" error, also the logs showed read conflicts and I saw memory leaking up to the 100Mb hard limit so the server died, I restarted and the remaining mails bounced with "proxy error" due to the server being down. I used gnus' S-D-b to retry all the bounced mails, after dealing with a bunch of local system & mail issues too boring to mention. Spamassassin now eats all memory and kills my system.


Simon Michael, 2002/10/24 03:52 GMT (via mail):
Oh, I lost some saved zwiki.org mail including the one you sent, Pieter, about my cvs issue. Thank you for looking into that. I think I remember the gist of it but if you still have a copy perhaps you could forward it to [[[[[IssueNo0339 why do wikis, emacs & templates/DEFAULTS still appear in cvs checkouts ?] why do wikis, emacs & templates/DEFAULTS still appear in cvs checkouts ?] why do wikis, emacs & templates/DEFAULTS still appear in cvs checkouts ?] why do wikis, emacs & templates/DEFAULTS still appear in cvs checkouts ?] why do wikis, emacs & templates/DEFAULTS still appear in cvs checkouts ?].


Simon Michael, 2002/10/24 04:06 GMT (via mail):
zwiki@zwiki.org (SimonMichael) writes:
> I think this (problem subscribing to zwiki.org) has "gone away". Please
> confirm or deny on [IssueNo0281 (un)subscribing gives error message(s) on zwiki.org].


Simon Michael, 2002/10/24 04:24 GMT (via mail):
Nicolas Pettiaux <nicolas.pettiaux@openbe.org> writes:
> I have started to translate the documentation .. and before going any
> further and duplicate a work that has already been done somewhere, I
> would like

Hi Nicolas.. thanks for working on this. I can't say much helpful right now, other than:

ZwikiInternationalisation is the starting point for the zwiki i18n project; those pages may need updating; there are several parts of zwiki that need i18n before l10n, including 1. page names & regular expressions, 2. the user interface, 3. the default wiki content; for latin-1 languages, 1. is done, if I remember correctly; 2 is still at an early stage, Juan-David Ibanez is pushing it forward, there are just a few strings in the .po files in CVS which can be translated at this point, JoannePlouffe has translated these to fr-CA so you may want to coordinate; 3 has not been translated by anyone else as far as I can remember, and has not yet been hooked into the .po files.

Good luck.


Simon Michael, 2002/10/24 04:26 GMT (via mail):

> Chinese charset problem?
> when I enter the edit model ,the chinese char turn to [中文]
> format ?

Probably. I would like to support chinese characters but don't know enough right now. If you can take on this task please do, starting at ZwikiInternationalisation.


Simon Michael, 2002/10/24 04:27 GMT (via mail):
zwiki@zwiki.org (DeanGoodmanson) writes:
> When flipping through the /diff screens, I have to use the "Return to Page"
> button rather than a page refresh.

I'm curious why you'd expect a refresh to exit the diff screen..


Simon Michael, 2002/10/24 04:30 GMT (via mail):
zwiki@zwiki.org writes:
> Will ZWiki full support CMF in the next release? I really love ZWiki and CMF.
> But the current CMFWiki have many bugs. -- Pan

It doesn't look like it - I haven't had an opportunity to update 0.11's alpha CMF support. The month after, perhaps.


Simon Michael, 2002/10/24 04:37 GMT (via mail):
zwiki@zwiki.org writes:
> Has anybody tried using Zwiki within
> Plone?

Yes, I do it. Plone provides a DTML standard_html_header & footer which you can use to keep a ploneish layout.


> What are the current problems with ZWiki and Zope 2.6.0 (final) and CMFWiki?

I don't know about CMFWiki. I know of one problem zwiki has with zope 2.6b1 which alas I think did not get resolved for 2.6 final: ZopeIssue:432. So it seems we're stuck with [IssueNo0270 with zope 2.6.0, dtml pages like UserOptions, RecentChanges, SearchPage are broken] for now.


> I would like to login in ZWiki, but can't find a way how to. Does
> SimonMichael make new useraccounts, or is there I way I can create a
> useraccount?

Do you mean zwiki.org ? There are no member accounts here. I see you're tired of signing your messages - do you need to set your username in UserOptions ? Posting via mail is another way to get them signed.


Simon Michael, 2002/10/24 04:38 GMT (via mail):
zwiki@zwiki.org (Nicolas Pettiaux) writes:
> I am using, with much pleasure (thank you a lot to all), a zwiki.

Thanks for the report


> Now the following question, how do I have to proceed to backup the wiki
> in order to save all these precious information ?

For me one simple way is to keep a backup of zope's Data.fs. That's a snapshot of your whole zope site in a single file.


Simon Michael, 2002/10/24 05:00 GMT (via mail):

> Probably. I would like to support chinese characters but don't know enough

But note it appears to work here to a certain extent, at least when using a [中文] freeform link and mozilla. I think this is pretty cool.


FlorianKonnertz, 2002/10/24 06:23 GMT (via web):
Can we have a LinkDatabase? here in ZWiki like the one on http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?LinkDatabase ?

Flok : Could you explain a bit of the benefits of LinkDatabase??

Ok, I'll write something about it on LinkDatabase and move this discussion to it, too. --FloK,1024


FlorianKonnertz, 2002/10/24 07:56 GMT (via web):
Hello Simon, hi all! - I want to help by refactoring some pages which are messed up, especially the feature related pages. Please give some advice. As i understand it right now, all the new/wishlist feature stuff should move more and more to the ZwikiTracker, is this right? - I like the tracker and it seems generally to be a good idea to centralize and manage all the issues with this tool. But as i had a look on the ZwikiTracker page today i saw many new entries concerning minor wishlist features. Some of them are discussed on their own pages too, ie. i started recently SearchDiscussion, RecentChangesDevelopment. How to keep them synchronized? Shoud the discussion pages be deleted? Or linked to the tracker/issue pages? - On the ZwikiTracker page the issue headlines are sometimes not very expressive. If the small improvements are handled in the Tracker, there should be links to the related discussion pages at least.

A few other questions i noted earlier:
o Does GeneralProblemsArchive needs refactoring. How does it relate to the ZwikiTracker?
o Where does this pages fit in: GetRidOfOldStuff, ToDo
o How to integrate all the feature/wishlist/suggestion pages as there are: SuggestionsAndComments, MayBe, BigTodoList, ZwikiUsability
o How to integrate the old/done feature pages as there are: ZwikiWebChanges1999, ZwikiFeatureMuseum
o What about deleting WikiFeature? What about ZwikiFeatures?


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/24 14:03 GMT (via web):

> > When flipping through the /diff screens, I have to use the "Return to Page"
> > button rather than a page refresh.


> I'm curious why you'd expect a refresh to exit the diff screen..

The value in the address bar didn't change from the original page address. I said to myself "get me back to that address", overlooked the helpful button, and refreshed the page.


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/24 14:17 GMT (via web):
The "modified" and "age" field header link in FilterIssues sorts by oldest first.

Since everything is displayed on the page, it's not a problem. Can you suggest a value to add to the search URL which would flag a reverse search order? (If I wanted to change the behavior locally, or add a "latest" link next the header.)

Adding sort_order=reverse to the URL didn't change anything.


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/24 18:38 GMT (via web):
I didn't realize the zwiki intranet product implications of the problems with search bots (/diff, ZMI access, etc.) until reading this article: http://www.infoworld.com/articles/ap/xml/02/06/24/020624apsearch.xml


2002/10/24 21:49 GMT (via web):
Hmm, I might see if I can use parts of MailBoxer (http://www.zope.org/Members/mjablonski/MailBoxer) for ZwikiFrontend or integrate it somehow. The product looks quite nice. I didn't look at MailBoxer for quite some time because I thought it competed with the MailMan mailinglist manager.

-- PieterB


2002/10/25 09:30 GMT (via web):
How can I change the default image next to FrontPage when I've installed ZWiki? It should be a standard_zwiki_header file somewhere but I just can't find it.
Ok, answering this one myself. Just set the site_logo variable in Zope. But still I can't find the header file if I want to edit the rest.


ktenney, 2002/10/25 11:48 GMT (via web):
First attempt at opening up my local ZWiki

Links within the wiki are http://localhost:8080/wiki/FrontPage

How do I change the domain of the local links?

Thanks,

Kent


Pieter Biemond prive, 2002/10/25 11:54 GMT (via mail):
Hi Kent,
> First attempt at opening up my local ZWiki
> Links within the wiki are http://localhost:8080/wiki/FrontPage
> How do I change the domain of the local links?

Links are relative so you can just also access the same page through: http://yourhostname:8080/wiki/FrontPage. You might want to change the default port of Zope to 80 or put Apache webserver in front of Zope, so that you can access the pages as: http://yourhostname/wiki/FrontPage

If you really want to force a URL, you need to specify the <BASE HREF="http://yourhostname/"> in the head section of the wiki-header, but I doubt you really want to do this.

-- PieterB


ktenney, 2002/10/25 12:32 GMT (via web):
I'm a bit confused, please bear with me.

I am using a Coyote Linux gateway, I have had it configured to portfw all http requests to zopeserver:8080. With this setup local links appeared as http://myhostname/wiki/FrontPage when viewed from the internet.

I removed the gateway portfw command, and have Apache forwarding
ProxyPass /wiki http://localhost:8080/wiki

Now when I view my wiki pages from the internet the local links appear as http://localhost:8080/wiki/FrontPage

Thanks
Kent


Pieter Biemond prive, 2002/10/25 14:30 GMT (via mail):

> I'm a bit confused, please bear with me.
Ok, I'll try ;)

> I am using a Coyote Linux gateway, I have had it configured to portfw all http
> requests to zopeserver:8080.
> With this setup local links appeared as http://myhostname/wiki/FrontPage when
> viewed from the internet.
I never used Coyote Linux gateway, but it seems to do what you want.

> I removed the gateway portfw command, and have Apache forwarding

ProxyPass
> /wiki http://localhost:8080/wiki
>
> Now when I view my wiki pages from the internet the local links appear as
> http://localhost:8080/wiki/FrontPage
Hmm. Have you installed a SiteRoot? I don't really like Apache's ProxyPass and prefer RewriteRule (more flexible, more dangerous, more fun ;). You might also have a look at my comment and links on [IssueNo0237 images intermittently broken on zwiki.org] and give a search on apache and/or proxypass at http://www.zope.org/

Good luck,

-- PieterB


ktenney, 2002/10/25 15:24 GMT (via web):
>Hmm. Have you installed a SiteRoot?

No, should I?

Thanks
KentT


Pieter Biemond prive, 2002/10/25 17:50 GMT (via mail):

> >Hmm. Have you installed a SiteRoot?
>
> No, should I?
> Yep, you should. See http://www.zope.org/Members/anser/apache_zserver for an example, or try Apache's RewriteRule if you are a hero ;)

Have a good weekend,

-- PieterB


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/25 19:05 GMT (via web):
KentT -

Welcome! Be careful with siteroot, typo's can get messy..theres a way out, but not a simple find...

That article on your page was interesting. I'm in central WI. Is the pickup seperate from the drop-off? Would you mind directing me towards more details? goodmansond@yahoo.com


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/25 19:09 GMT (via web):
Simon, Would you mind exposing /diff functionality through another (non-linked) method? I'm pretty reliant on it, and wouldn't mind typing it by hand. Diff history not necesary either, just the latest change.


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/25 22:10 GMT (via web):
Having a hard time finding the info on how to include the contents of one page within another, while supressing the embedded pages header/footer.

Suggestions? (Remember to space your dtml (< dtml ..>) if you simply post an example)


JohnGreenaway, 2002/10/25 22:20 GMT (via web):

> Having a hard time finding the info on how to include the contents of one page within another

< dtml-var "PageToBeIncluded(bare=1)" >


2002/10/26 05:38 GMT (via web):
0.12rc1 is out, "no earth-shaking changes but on time".

Diff is enabled again (crosses fingers). Must try patching python soon (he said unenthusiastically).


Simon Michael, 2002/10/26 17:17 GMT (via mail):

> I'm attempting to get CVS ZWiki working with CVS Plone and having
> difficulty getting wikipage_view to be used as the default action when
> viewing WikiPages. If I append "/wikipage_view" on any WikiPage URL the
> right thing happens (ie the WikiPage is displayed inside the Plone-ish
> standard_html_header/footer etc. But I can't get that to happen by
> default.
>
> Any ideas
>
> I've read the bit above about using Plone's DTML standard_html_header
> etc via inclusion via standard_wiki_header, but I've yet to get this to
> do anything but traceback for me. Any hints in that regard (I'll post
> the tracebacks if wished) would be great.
>
> Thanks
>
> -- claw@kanga.nu
> --
> forwarded from http://zwiki.org/GeneralDiscussion200209Part2


KentT, 2002/10/27 01:45 GMT (via web):
IIRC, a mis-configured SiteRoot can prevent access to a site, and the remedy is to FTP to the site and delete the SiteRoot.

Is this correct?

Thanks
KentT


Simon Michael, 2002/10/28 17:16 GMT (via mail):
zwiki@zwiki.org (Pieter Biemond prive) writes:
> I get a lot of MemoryError's on Zwiki.org. For example while adding a
> post, page or tracker issue. Seem's zwiki.org really ran out of
> memory...

Sorry.. it was stuck at maximum memory allowance. It usually restarts but not this time, I'll set up a cron job to restart it frequently.


JordanCarswell, 2002/10/28 22:53 GMT (via web):
Is there a way to get ZWiki to be aware of child wiki webs the same way it is aware of wiki pages?


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/28 23:01 GMT (via web):
Jordon -

Only through RemoteWikiLink 's... and there are a number of benefits and problems with AcquisitionAndNamespaces . Would you mind listing the benefits you have to this feature?

And frankly, I like that a parent wiki is NOT directly aware of the pages in a child-wiki, although a search sub-folders monicker would be interesting! //SubPage or //[Subpage] ?


JordanCarswell, 2002/10/28 23:14 GMT (via web):
Dean, I'm setting up a wiki site for Academics at my college and faculty have asked to have separate wikis within. Their reasons are valid, but by doing this, I lose the ability of users to search or see a site map and/or index of all of the pages actually in the whole wiki b/c some are now nested in child folders.

I'm just wondering if there is a customization I could do so that if a search was done or the AllPages feature used, the user would have at least the other wiki folders returned.


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/28 23:29 GMT (via web):
Jordan, Searching all the pages in seperate wiki's is a bit item on my TODO list. :-) I'm glad to see it on someone elses. I have yet to grok Catalogs. :-(

Even getting a page to show all the RecentChanges from each page... I'm looking forward to the answers. Gotta run, more later.


2002/10/29 05:00 GMT (via web):
Dear Smart Ones...

I am getting the following error in Zope (and the icon for a broken box...)

Traceback (innermost last): File "/usr/src/packages/BUILD/Zope-2.1.6-src/lib/python/OFS/Application.py", line 387, in importproducts File "/var/lib/zope/Products/ZWiki/__init_.py", line 9, in ? import ZWikiPage, ZWikiWeb?, OFS.Folder File "/var/lib/zope/Products/ZWiki/ZWikiPage.py", line 44, in ? from AccessControl? import getSecurityManager ImportError?: cannot import name getSecurityManager

What can this mean? Who is the SecurityManager??

Thanks! flint@flint.com


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/29 18:34 GMT (via web):
Jordon - I was caught up in home activities last night to follow-up. I was hoping to find ways of containing cross-wiki functionality (SearchPage?, RecentChanges?) into DTML methods and embedding those on the "global" view page. I haven't tried yet to figureout how to focus those to the particular wiki folder/namespace. My previous questions of how to call one page within another worked, except the embedded page's DTML output doesn't get displayed, eg:

 <dtml-var "RecentChanges(bare=1)">


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/29 18:36 GMT (via web):
D'oh! Just realized the previous example may cause a memory spike or speed bog. :-( Please chuck if so.


PeterFunk, 2002/10/30 07:22 GMT (via web):
ZWiki.org was unreachable yesterday. How comes?


WimBekker, 2002/10/30 08:11 GMT (via web):
This might be more Zope related but since this is such a nice place: Yesterday some settings where screwed up. So <dtml-var "REQUEST.get(zwiki_displaymode,0)"> wasn't full what it should be but the value was the next setting (my_other_setting=somevalue). Whatever I tried, I couldn't repair this. I wasn't able to delete the settings. I think these are cookie settings. Anyway, this morning everything was fine??. My question: how can I repair such a thing?


FlorianKonnertz, 2002/10/30 08:40 GMT (via web):
Hi!!! Great to be here again today! :-) It was a hard and boring yesterday without you. I missed you. - - Have a nice day!


SimonMichael, 2002/10/30 20:44 GMT (via web):
Hi all,

I have set up a cron job to restart this zope server on the hour. This normally takes 15 seconds so should not be too disruptive and will hopefully improve reliability & maybe reduce my excess memory usage charges. What happens is that zope or certain zope activities leak memory over time; I don't know what activity is to blame in this case.


SimonMichael, 2002/10/30 20:54 GMT (via web):
It's been hard to allocate focussed time to zwiki this month. Hopefully november will be better. I think [[IssueNo0345 an error occurred while attempting to render the standard error message] an error occurred while attempting to render the standard error message] is the only problem with 0.12rc1 that might affect the friday release, please correct me if I'm wrong (and post more info if you have it).


Jeremy Cook, 2002/10/31 09:57 GMT (via mail):
I'm trying to work out how to create my own template for zwiki. I'm doing this because I wanted to use the exUserFolder module/product of zope, and to take optimal advantage of this some fairly substantial changes are required to things like UserOptions?, standard_wiki_header and such and it seems awkward to maintain a hacked version all the time. (exUserFolder provides some nifty features like associating properties with users, and ready made scripts for subscribing users, reminding passwords and such)

It seems that to make a template I need to do some importing and exporting (or the other way around) but it's not too clear. I would appreciate a step-by-step list of stuff to do!

Thanks,

Jeremy


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/31 14:45 GMT (via web):
A couple thoughts on Uploading a picture to a page...

a. When uploading a picture the img tag doesn't include the relative path. Would that hurt?

b. When adding a picture to a page that doesn't include any text, img link is followed by a space, requiring an extra step when uploading images for AnnoyingQuote


2002/10/31 18:01 GMT (via web):
Some ZopeDev? news:

More info on the DateTime? screw up on 2.6.0 (causing [[IssueNo0345 an error occurred while attempting to render the standard error message] an error occurred while attempting to render the standard error message]): see thread: http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2002-October/017834.html

Zope 2.6.1 might be released soon (see: http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2002-October/017846.html)

AndreasJung? works to integrate reStructuredText into Zope 2.7 (see: http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/ReStructuredTextIntegration)

-- PieterB


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/31 20:29 GMT (via web):
Just learned of WikiML? through this article: http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-syntax.html?n-x-10312

No comments, just scout report...

PieterB - Thanks for the RestructuredText comment, I've added it to the page here, and emailed the author with a Thank You. He may drop by and add comments to the page.


DeanGoodmanson, 2002/10/31 20:31 GMT (via web):
Anyone else not getting Zwiki Mailouts? I'm at a yahoo account.


SimonMichael, 2002/10/31 21:04 GMT (via web):
Dean - yes, now fixed. I fell into the [[#348 a wiki page of the same name can hide an acquired zope mail host, breaking mailout] a wiki page of the same name can hide an acquired zope mail host, breaking mailout] pitfall yesterday.


SimonMichael, 2002/10/31 22:21 GMT (via web):
HowToPostATraceback has some tips. Dean helped while I was still working[1], proving that edit conflict checking really works. Hooray! :)

[1] I typed the whole thing in yesterday and computer locked up before I could save, so I learned my lesson.


SimonMichael, 2002/10/31 22:28 GMT (via web):
PS for those who don't read via the web - [[#348 a wiki page of the same name can hide an acquired zope mail host, breaking mailout] a wiki page of the same name can hide an acquired zope mail host, breaking mailout] was about mailouts not going out. You missed about one day's worth of comments.


SimonMichael, 2002/10/31 23:14 GMT (via web):
Tips on HowToPostPatches?.