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0.25rc4 is out --simon, Mon, 01 Dec 2003 13:18:31 -0800 reply
with a bunch of fixes and cleanups.. I'll push out 0.25 later today, barring disasters.

Hey, check out [item05]? - I didn't think you could do that.

0.25rc4 is out --DeanG, Mon, 01 Dec 2003 13:32:01 -0800 reply
What is the feature displayed on the [item05]? page?

0.25rc4 is out --simon, Mon, 01 Dec 2003 13:42:20 -0800 reply
It's got a style section in the page body, and in moz 1.6 that takes effect and changes the appearance of the whole page.

Zwiki 0.25 released --Simon Michael, Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:18:06 -0800 reply
Zwiki 0.25 is available at http://zwiki.org and http://zope.org/Members/Simon/Zwiki .

See http://zwiki.org/ReleaseNotes for the details. Summary: Fully-functional non-DTML wikis are now supported and default; refactored default skin with macros, CSS and SkinnedFolder support; more zwiki features available in CMF/Plone; quicker comments, improved search, easy tracker setup, much code refactoring, etc.

Lots of cleanup and changes this month, including some very positive skin, DTML and hierarchy progress. We've run into a wall with catalog conflict errors but that should be solvable. Dare I say it, the docs situation is showing signs of improvement too. Jump in and help if you can.

Happy holidays and merry christmas! 3:-)

ZWiki and Zope 2.7 b3 -- Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:35:01 -0800 reply
is 0.25 usable with 2.7 b3; IE is SyntaxError? now a class instead of a string?

ZWiki and Zope 2.7 b3 --DeanGoodmanson, Mon, 01 Dec 2003 21:03:56 -0800 reply
via GeneralDiscussion200311:

You'll find this one in the IssueTracker. We don't currently support Zope 2.7 due to this issue and don't know exactly how to solve it, so I'd appreciate a solution from anyone, especially today in time for the release candidate. --SimomMichael?

Perhaps #649 zwiki fails to initialize/pages give AttributeError with Zope 2.7b3 should be added to KnownIssues?

ZWiki and Zope 2.7 b3 --DeanGoodmanson, Mon, 01 Dec 2003 21:18:21 -0800 reply
I should have read the details more carefully. You mentioned 2.7 b3 and the 0.25 release , and that makes the question even more valid.

fwd: ZwikiInANutshell --DeanGoodmanson, Tue, 02 Dec 2003 07:55:15 -0800 reply
Someone asked if it was an Apache module. No, a Zope product. I couldn't fit "It's a Zope Product" neatly into the ZwikiInANutshell page, and removed anonymous comments.

fwd: Question about the ZWikiPage.py --DeanGoodmanson, Tue, 02 Dec 2003 08:03:30 -0800 reply

Could anybody tell me which functionalities are related to handling links?

Does the [ZWikiPagePy]? page help?

New layout --PieterB, Tue, 02 Dec 2003 10:10:08 -0800 reply
Wow, new layout looks very good! Unfortuately the blue links on green background are hard to read on my laptop. Maybe make use a another green with more contrast. Sorry for not participating in the wiki-community. Very busy, busy...

PieterB

ZWiki and Zope 2.7 b3 --simon, Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:31:43 -0800 reply
I don't know if this is still an issue, it's waiting for a confirmation. I'd leave it off KnownIssues until we know it is one.

fwd: Question about the ZWikiPage.py --simon, Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:34:21 -0800 reply
Or FunctionalOverview ? Not sure what the question is. Dean's right, the linking code is in ZWikiPage.py.

New layout --simon, Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:40:14 -0800 reply
Glad you like it PB. We need to get some browser testing going, which do you use ? I had a quick look in IE4 and noticed some issues - memory usage meter too thick, whitespace around the search box, comment form going off-screen.

Those links are a bit dark here too, pity, I like that shade of green. Do whatever you like there, it's the front page but this is still a wiki. :)

sitemap rearranged --simon, Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:46:06 -0800 reply
FrontPage has become long again, you've probably noticed.. I moved those overview links back there - it seemed to be growing back into it's old link-ful form anyway. Also SiteMap? was slow and growing stale.

Service tabs invisible in Plone --Samotnik, Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:21:52 -0800 reply
Uninstalled Zwiki025rc3 and installed Zwiki025.0 with QuickInstaller. In portal_types -> Wiki Page -> actions all actions besides Wiki options are checked. However, only "old" tabs are visible, i.e. view, edit, history and backlinks. How to make some other visible (recentchanges, contents and searchwiki)?

limiting size of Appended comments? -- Tue, 02 Dec 2003 15:38:29 -0800 reply
I'm getting a vandal adding huge comments to a page. While not a real solution, one lite approach would be to limit the length of an Appended Comment. Has that by any chance been done already? (As usual I'm a year behind releases...:) --BillSeitz

limiting size of Appended comments? --DeanG, Tue, 02 Dec 2003 15:52:50 -0800 reply

Has that by any chance been done already?

Not that I've seen. While your there consider skipping the append() when the input text is None or len(0) to avoid an annoying edit.

ZWiki and Zope 2.7 b3 -- Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:51:28 -0800 reply
ZWiki 0.24.0 works with Zope 2.7b3 but 0.25.0 does not on my test system.

Simultaneous edits -- Thu, 04 Dec 2003 01:23:16 -0800 reply
I'am having a similar problem. My users are getting more and more upset due to the fact that they started to edit a page and when they try to save it must realize that someone else made modifications to it at the same time.

Isn't there any possibility to show them at the beginning that the page is already locked by another user.

I need urgently help before my people are getting to frustrated.

Simultaneous edits --DeanGoodmanson, Thu, 04 Dec 2003 07:20:41 -0800 reply
I'd suggest opening an IssuePage?.

Could you describe some scenarios where this is frustrating? When going Back, copying changes, then re-making those to the latest edit, is frustrating? Comments during edits, Lots of page polishers, particular types of pages that draw high edit traffic...?

Isn't there any possibility to show them at the beginning that the page is already locked by another user.

This requires added functionality. If you have suggestions I'd suggest opening (or updating) an IssueTracker page.

As it's stateless, it would serve as "the page might be locked by another users", e.g. "The last edit start time was x minutes before you started."

Java automated testing links --PieterB, Thu, 04 Dec 2003 15:04:49 -0800 reply
Just find something which looks even better than "Maven": Quite a nice Maven look-a-like: HackyStat?

Does anybody know similar Python based tools?

ZWiki and Zope 2.7 b3 --SimonMichael, Thu, 04 Dec 2003 16:53:13 -0800 reply
Rats, that's kind of opposite to what I'd expect. Are we talking about #649 zwiki fails to initialize/pages give AttributeError with Zope 2.7b3 ?

limiting size of Appended comments? --SimonMichael, Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:36:40 -0800 reply
Hi Bill, we haven't done that. Wouldn't you need to block this vandal's IP though ? They can still pester you with short comments.

Perhaps comment() should have at least some large maximum by default (yet I find these alway annoys when you have a legitimate use.. same as when browsing large diffs). And we don't want yet another folder property if we can avoid, I would think a constant in Defaults.py might be the way to go.

Service tabs invisible in Plone --SimonMichael, Thu, 04 Dec 2003 19:00:55 -0800 reply
Samotnik - so you do see the new actions in portal_types -> Wiki Page, right ? recentchanges etc. ? With category object_actions ?

If so my guess would be your plone is old and doesn't support that category of actions ?

Simultaneous edits --SimonMichael, Thu, 04 Dec 2003 20:59:06 -0800 reply
Interesting.. this is the first time I've seen a need for this, you seem to have a lot of simultaneous editors. Yes an issue page please. Perhaps someone can add the related moinmoin link that was posted on GD recently.

help with stylizing zwiki -- Fri, 05 Dec 2003 11:29:28 -0800 reply
I used zwiki some time ago (0.16.x I think) and I remember being able to make my own standard header, footer etc. I even rewrote some python involving the nested ULs? in the header feature that give the hierarchy. I've long since lost my work into digital oblivion. I've come to get the new version of zwiki, but I'm confused as to how to duplicate some of my previous work. How can I edit the standard header and footer? BTW, I'm VERY impressed in your work toward better standards compliant result pages. Alot of the problems were simple nesting issues, unclosed tags and the like, but still... good stuff guys!

oh, and one more thing while I'm asking -- Fri, 05 Dec 2003 11:32:51 -0800 reply
Man... I'd love a comment system which tags the comment to the TOP of the content portion of the zwiki page. (essentially, an instant blogish thing, but not really for blogging... just for ease of reading.)

oh, and one more thing while I'm asking --DeanG, Fri, 05 Dec 2003 11:38:20 -0800 reply
I posted a patch for that kind of thing in the IssueTracker see: #577 Insert page method It's insert instead of pre-pend to keep a document/comments section clear in case you want that.

Is your Header work the one that "flattens" the heirarchy? If it's convenient, I'd appreciate it if you'd re-submit it, the current page is tedious to decipher. Re-submitting current version is fine, I don't expect it to be updated to the latest version and re-submitted.

oh, and one more thing while I'm asking -- Fri, 05 Dec 2003 11:41:40 -0800 reply
yes, it does "flatten" the heirarchy. unfortunately, it's long since disappeared. I'm hoping to reinvent it this weekend, if I have the time. Thanks for the link to the issue 0577

oh, and one more thing while I'm asking -- Fri, 05 Dec 2003 11:50:42 -0800 reply
Is this it?: HorizontalHeaderMenu (Not as cryptic as I recall,it's just page portions, not the whole think I was looking for before [when I was trying to apply it to a slightly more modern version])

And the other parts to your question. DTML'ish header footers can be found in archives, and must be named standard_wiki_header , standard_wiki_footer

oh, and one more thing while I'm asking --dan mcmullen, Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:07:08 -0800 reply
DeanG wrote:

Is your Header work the one that "flattens" the heirarchy? If it's
convenient, I'd appreciate it if you'd re-submit it, the current page is tedious to decipher.<<<

/me sigh!

what's tedious Dean? i'm happy to help.

here's the TAL that invokes the modified contextX() and iterates through the structure it returns to create the flat hierarchy in the WikipageX skin:

  # invoke modified contextX()
  <span tal:define="ctx python: here.contextX(request)">
  # "contents ::"
  <small>
  <a href="contentsUrl" title="show wiki contents" accesskey="c"
    tal:attributes="href ctx/contentsUrl"
    tal:content="python: container.title + ' contents'">contents
  </a>
  ::
  # for each item returned by contextX()
  <span tal:repeat="ii ctx/hierarchy" tal:omit-tag="">
   # ? item is a node (not a change in hierarchy level: +/-)
   <span tal:condition="python: '=' in ii['type']">
     # ? you are here
     <span tal:condition="python: '!' in ii['type']">
       # "BigBoldCurrentPageName"
       <br><big><big><big><big><strong>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="href" name="name"
       tal:attributes="href python: ii['href'] + '/backlinks'; name ii/name"
       tal:content="ii/page">page</a></strong></big></big></big></big>
       <span tal:condition="python: '.' in ii['type']"> ...</span> # ? parent w/no kids
     </span>
     # ? you aren't here
     <span tal:condition="python: '!' not in ii['type']">
       # "NormalPageName ::"
       <a href="href" name="name"
         tal:attributes="href ii/href; name ii/name"
         tal:content="ii/page">page</a>&nbsp;::
         <span tal:condition="python: '.' in ii['type']"> ...</span> # ? parent w/no kids
     </span>
   </span>
  </span>
  </small>
  </span>

oh, and one more thing while I'm asking -- Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:09:53 -0800 reply
no, that wasn't mine. I did mine through a combination of proper closing tags in the python, a minor edit to the dtml and modern CSS.

WikipageX w/ multiple parents --DeanG, Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:16:17 -0800 reply
Check out DeanG. It's parented to DeanGoodmanson and SandBox. Is that Correct? (I think there's a more proper discussion page for this, sorry.)

WikipageX w/ multiple parents --dan mcmullen, Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:27:15 -0800 reply
DeanG wrote:

Check out DeanG. It's parented to DeanGoodmanson and SandBox. Is that
Correct? (I think there's a more proper discussion page for this, sorry.)<<<

that's a problem. what should the code do? use the 1st parent?

more general-discussiony: what are multiple parents for? why do we have them?

WikipageX w/ multiple parents --DeanG, Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:40:07 -0800 reply
A big complaint of wiki's is "no organization", "no navigation". This feature takes a big bite out of those complaints.

Why multiple? Multiple topics. Most people don't use them much (I haven't heard of a complaint that the reparent and backlinks page "write-in" parent doesn't support multiple parents. (couple of issues there, not going into it, I think I put it on an issue page)), then again, maintaining the heirarchy is something I've rarely seen done by non-gardeners.

I haven't looked to see how the subtopics render for that page, either.

I'd like each heirarchy displayed on an individual line, With the page name only appearing on the last:

   parent::parent::
   parent::parent::
   parent::
      Page

WikipageX w/ multiple parents --dan mcmullen, Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:47:36 -0800 reply
DeanG wrote:>>> I'd like the code to display all heirarchies. With the page name only

appearing on the last:

parent::parent .. parent::parent .. parent::Page

that should be doable. your example raises an interesting case: when a page ancestor has 2 parents. that's ugly too. what to do? (though the default skin doesn't seem to handle these cases much better?)

WikipageX w/ multiple parents --DeanGoodmanson, Fri, 05 Dec 2003 14:00:12 -0800 reply
I guess I don't see much difference. Aalthough this could explain why the parenting code is intense.

See NewPage? under default skin. (<--is that possible via URL to override UserOptions?) All paths are displayed.

Re: WikipageX w/ multiple parents --PieterB, Sat, 06 Dec 2003 06:23:07 -0800 reply
Some remarks about: Wikipages with multiple parents. I can imagine that under certain circumstances more than one hierarchy of Wikipages is needed. I wouldn't narrow it down to "multiple parents" only. For example, consider the following example taxonomies of geopgrapy and fruits:

Countries/geography:

Fruits by type:

The best implementation would tag a Article on Granny smiths from the Netherlands with the keywords Apple, Granny smith, The Netherlands and would then dipslay the navigation based on both taxonomies (Other sorts of fruits, Fruits by country).

Please seperate the process of adding keywords to documents, and the categorizing of documents in some kind of hierarchy. Please read more on taxonomys/thesauri in the ANSI NISO Z39.19 documentation.

Re: WikipageX w/ multiple parents --dan mcmullen, Sat, 06 Dec 2003 07:31:16 -0800 reply
PieterB wrote:

Some remarks about: Wikipages with multiple parents. I can imagine
that under certain circumstances more than one hierarchy of Wikipages is needed. I wouldn't narrow it down to "multiple parents" only.<<<

i've been thinking along these lines as well. Zwiki's basic page hierarchy could be used to implement a more general facility. the page names in a branch of the Zwiki hierarchy can represent a single taxonomy. multiple branches for multiple taxonomies. some variation on WikiBadges could be used to categorize other pages by embedding links to taxonomy subpages.

WikipageX w/ multiple parents --dan mcmullen, Sat, 06 Dec 2003 07:36:55 -0800 reply
DeanGoodmanson wrote:

See NewPage? under default skin. (<--is that possible via URL to
override UserOptions??) All paths are displayed.<<<

for me, the 2nd path is displayed below the main page name in both the default and wikipagex skins. not desirable imo. here are urls to each skin directly:

http://zwiki.org/NewPage?skin=default

http://zwiki.org/NewPage?skin=wikipagex

Next issue in Plone - jaap -- Sat, 06 Dec 2003 10:43:16 -0800 reply
I have set up an issuetracker in Plone but I cannot get the next >> / previous << buttons to work. The refer to IssueNoXXXX while my pages are named [Issue NoXXXX Description]. I tried under Plone 1.0.5 and on a fresh Plone 2 from Head but neither works. Yet the same mechanism works OK zwiki.org. I am doing something wrong here ?

Parents, taxonomy and reverse linking --Samotnik, Sat, 06 Dec 2003 16:23:11 -0800 reply
Pieter is right.

I would like to add, that unlimited dimensions of "taxonomy" is possible when you have reverse links. But you should avoid thinking in the terms of a tree and hierarchy at the beginning.

Consider first the page AllCounties, filled with EuropeAustria,... EuropeGermany, AsiaChina... badges. And the other page AllFruits filled with AppleBreaburn,... BananaChiquita,... etc badges. And third page AllTransactions filled with TradeBuying, TradeBorrowing, TradeBid etc. badges.

In such 3-dimensional space you can even formulate the statement which is "understood" by Wiki. For example: John Smith AsiaChina TradeBid BananaChiquita.

(Of course the probloem remains, what is AsiaChina related to: John Smith is from Asia, bananas or the place of bid? Syntax is required, besides semantics.)

Or, if You Add a page AllParties, filled with JohnSmith, DeanGoodmanson, etc., you can close above ontology in 4-dimensional taxonomy. If all badges are defined, the statement is explained with full context.

This is a kind of RDF simulation or more, isn't it?

This is what I mean taxonomy.

As to Piter's remark on thesauri, please take into account that you have also normal links. So, if you want to simulate a part of Word Net, you can write {Granny Smith} Is Similar {Breaburn}, whehe I marked the links with {}. But the similarity here explains as "belonging to the same category". You can have other kinds of similarities, like a feature. For example a page AllColours filled with DarkBlue, LightGreen etc. So, various kinds of to-way relations can be expressed as (or converted to) the categories.

Until now this is nothing to do with keywords!

Now, at the end, let's think on tree and hierarchy. The only problem is with unidirectional relations i.e. Is Parent Of, and reverse Is Child Of. But first let's try to think links not hierarchy. I have no idea by now...

WikipageX w/ multiple parents --Samotnik, Sat, 06 Dec 2003 16:37:57 -0800 reply
By the way, I think that the complaints of "no navigation" were actual some years ago, not now. Now we have a map (contents), AllPages, backlinks, Recent Changes, and badges. It is quite easy to find particular page. Much easier than in conventional portal catalogs. And we don't need to think trees and hierarchy. let's think flat.

Next issue in Plone - jaap --DeanGoodmanson, Sat, 06 Dec 2003 21:16:25 -0800 reply
That may be a bug... Here's the code I referenced:

  previous="'IssueNo'+_.string.zfill(thisnumber-1,4)"
  next="'IssueNo'+_.string.zfill(thisnumber+1,4)"

Doesn't the Search page find that page and re-direct anyway, eg. ZWiki:IssueNo0001

Most of the complaints I've heard about that are that the next/prevoius are sequential numbers, not the next/previous that one may have just queried against, and it doesn't validate the numbers. (Eek, gallopy sentence.)

Next issue in Plone - jaap -- Sun, 07 Dec 2003 23:40:10 -0800 reply
I tried http://mysite/IssueNo0001 but it still comes up with a Not Found error. That seems logical to me because the actueal Wiki page name is in my case IssueNo000?1HardwareList . So why does this work on ZWiki:IssueNo0001 because your page name seems to be #1 a test issue ?

Next issue in Plone - jaap -- Sun, 07 Dec 2003 23:43:00 -0800 reply
hmmm I can see a difference between #1 a test issue and #1 a test issue ? is this a reason ? how then ...

Next issue in Plone - jaap --DeanGoodmanson, Mon, 08 Dec 2003 06:17:24 -0800 reply
Sort of. http://zwiki.org/IssueNo0001ATest is FuzzyURL matching, used from ZWiki:IssueNo0001 and the Issue Tracker's implementation: a href="IssueNo0001", and IssueNo001ATestIssue page Id matching.

... -- Mon, 08 Dec 2003 13:32:19 -0800 reply
I'm confused. In my UserOptions page the dtml isn't being interpreted. I tried to create a property in the ZMI but it says "page_type" already exists. Any idea how to fix this?

... -- Mon, 08 Dec 2003 13:35:53 -0800 reply
ok, I got rid of my wikipage ZPT and my stylesheet and was able to get into the "editForm" for the UserOptions, but it doesn't have a type for dtml. will one of the available types work?

... -- Mon, 08 Dec 2003 13:49:39 -0800 reply
gawd, this is so fusterating. I can't stand ZPT. I'm just trying to customize zwiki a bit. Nothing but frustration. It was so much better when it was dtml. I'm totally confused. Is there any simple explaination out there about how to dress this stuff up without breaking everything?

... -- Mon, 08 Dec 2003 13:56:43 -0800 reply
all I'm really looking for "what do I do, if I want to do 'X'" it appears I'm suppose to put "useroptions.pt" into my ZMI as a ZPT named useroptions and then edit it how I like, but that doesn't work. wikipage.pt as a ZPT named wikipage works. of course, none of the pages seem to interpret dtml properly.

Frustrations --DeanG, Mon, 08 Dec 2003 13:57:49 -0800 reply

a. Can't you still use DTML? Download an older version from Simon's Zope site and drop in the methods.

b. Dan and Simon seem to be the customization experts around here.

c. RecentChanges? ... you have to setup something like "Allowed Page TYpes?", what version are you on?

... -- Mon, 08 Dec 2003 14:10:38 -0800 reply
zwiki 0.25.0 and no I haven't limited "allowed page types" stuff. I just installed vanilla zope and vanilla zwiki and I can't customize anything. i tried installing the "commonplace" version too and it doesn't work either.

... -- Mon, 08 Dec 2003 14:35:24 -0800 reply
I'm not really sure why the one thing people would like to do the most with zwiki (beyond just having a wiki in zope) is so hard. surely you all like to change the look of your own wikis? i mean, internationalization, email, and all the rest is nice, but how about just making it easy to look nice.

Next issue in Plone - jaap -- Mon, 08 Dec 2003 23:27:37 -0800 reply
This "FuzzyURL? matching" thing doesn't seem to work for Plone then, do I file an Issue on this ?

FYI latest versions --KentT, Tue, 09 Dec 2003 04:46:46 -0800 reply
Howdy,

I'm running both ZWiki and Zope from CVS, on a Debian box. So far, so good.

Thanks
Kent

Next issue in Plone - jaap --DeanGoodmanson, Tue, 09 Dec 2003 07:27:57 -0800 reply
http://plone.zwiki.org/FrontPa .. looks like it, please add an Issue.

... --dan mcmullen, Tue, 09 Dec 2003 08:38:40 -0800 reply
someone (?) wrote:

I'm not really sure why the one thing people would like to do the most
with zwiki (beyond just having a wiki in zope) is so hard.<<<

Zwiki 0.25 is not Zwiki 1.0. there's been a lot of progress in this area recently, which has imo wisely focused on developing a flexible infrastructure for extensions which customize the ui. there is work underway to use that infrastructure to provide the kind of options you are asking for. check out the last couple of months of GeneralDiscussion and give us some feedback on the ideas we've been tossing around about how to do this.

radical scaleability in Zwiki? --dan mcmullen, Tue, 09 Dec 2003 08:41:07 -0800 reply
thought for the day:-)

imagine that a web application based on Zwiki becomes extremely popular. how could Zwiki handle a dramatic increase in usage? not only in terms of handling heavier loads, but also of handling the increase in the size of the Zwiki community?

is Zwiki a timebomb of untapped potential? :-)

enjoy! /dan

dumb question: how to change wiki layout? -- Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:11:01 -0800 reply
I've been searching this site now for quite some time, but didn't find much info about how to change the wiki style. It seems I need to create a standard_wiki_header but where do I get it? Do I need to rename a standard_html_header?

Thanks!

dumb question: how to change wiki layout? --dan mcmullen, Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:51:23 -0800 reply
zwiki-wiki@zwiki.org wrote:

I've been searching this site now for quite some time, but didn't find
much info about how to change the wiki style. It seems I need to create a standard_wiki_header but where do I get it? Do I need to rename a standard_html_header?<<<

look at the last month or so of RecentChanges?. Simon has been doing a good bit of work lately documenting the recent, urm, changes in this area.

dumb question: how to change wiki layout? -- Tue, 09 Dec 2003 12:38:58 -0800 reply
thanks for the hint, dan, finally I found 2 links that help me understand the topic: http://zwiki.org/FAQ#Customization and http://zwiki.org/CustomizingTheSkin

dtml and page_type -- Tue, 09 Dec 2003 12:47:29 -0800 reply
i think i figured out my problem (at least, i know more specifically what's wrong, not how to fix it). dtml isn't being executed in any page (shouldn't the HTML page_type allow for dtml?). is this a known problem in 0.25? does anyone know which .py file checks for page_type and choses the appropriate processing? i'm willing to dig into this myself, but i need to know where to go.

dtml and page_type --DeanG, Tue, 09 Dec 2003 12:51:49 -0800 reply
I'm pretty sure it's in ZwikiPage.py.

Here HTML includes DTML, but it's also listed as "HTML (+DTML)"

dtml and page_type -- Tue, 09 Dec 2003 12:54:45 -0800 reply
could this have something to do with page_type being an object now instead of a string?

dtml and page_type --dan mcmullen, Tue, 09 Dec 2003 12:55:22 -0800 reply
zwiki-wiki@zwiki.org wrote:

i think i figured out my problem (at least, i know more specifically
what's wrong, not how to fix it). dtml isn't being executed in any page (shouldn't the HTML page_type allow for dtml?). is this a known problem in 0.25? <<<

nope. it's a known feature of 0.25! dtml is disabled by default for security reasons. offhand i don't know how to enable it. check the release notes maybe?

dtml and page_type: PageTypes?.py -- Tue, 09 Dec 2003 13:16:24 -0800 reply
in class ZwikiHTMLPageType?() {line 231}: I'll admit to being a dummy about this but page.hasDynamicContent() checks for self.supportsDTML() is that how you refer to supportsDTML in the class scope variable in ZwikiHTMLPageType? which is set to yes. The other variable is dtmlAllowed() which is set with getattr(self,allow_dtml,0) and not hasattr(self,no_dtml), but I can't find where those are set or how to set them.

disabling dtml -- Tue, 09 Dec 2003 13:24:38 -0800 reply
I admit, it's a big security problem for open zwiki's. however, if it stops important pages like UserOptions? from working... well, maybe it should be rethought. the release notes just say it's non-dtml now. not how to turn it on for a particular page (which I could then set the permissions in the ZMI to restrict who could edit it).

disabling dtml -- Tue, 09 Dec 2003 13:25:52 -0800 reply
Found it... personally I'd much rather enable it for specific pages, than for the whole wiki.

dtml and page_type: PageTypes?.py --dan mcmullen, Tue, 09 Dec 2003 13:29:57 -0800 reply
zwiki-wiki@zwiki.org wrote: >>>I can't find where those are set or how

to set them.<<<

release notes

(aka CHANGES.txt in the 0.25 Products/Zwiki directory.)

enabling dtml -- Tue, 09 Dec 2003 13:36:16 -0800 reply
alright now I enabled dtml for my wiki, and when I try to access a page in my browser that contains dtml... I get this message:

Site Error

An error was encountered while publishing this resource.

Unauthorized Sorry, a site error occurred.

Traceback (innermost last):

Unauthorized: You are not allowed to access wiki_page_url in this context

disabling dtml --dan mcmullen, Tue, 09 Dec 2003 13:36:59 -0800 reply
zwiki-wiki@zwiki.org wrote:

Found it... personally I'd much rather enable it for specific pages, than for the whole wiki.<<<

might work to set a property on the individual page using ZMI. no time to try it here right now.

(ps- remember some of us are having this conversation via email, so my last reply was actually prior to a couple of your comments.)

permissions problem related to enabling dtml -- Tue, 09 Dec 2003 13:53:02 -0800 reply
every time i get the previous permissions error, i am booted out of zope entirely. i have to log back in to my ZMI. additionally, /setupDtmlPages doesn't seem to do anything (shouldn't it load all pages with "dtml" extensions from the skins/default folder into the ZODB?

slight frontpage vandalism --Simon Michael, Tue, 09 Dec 2003 14:23:58 -0800 reply
"I know! Let's go and beat up this free wiki software site! Woohoo!!"

There've been three defacements of FrontPage in the last couple of days. The third came moments after I repaired the second, and from a quite different IP address. I thought maybe they'd left a script running, but it's quiet now. Right now only I have access to the history screen (Undo doesn't work here for reasons unknown). If anyone gets motivated to design/implement some easier repair facilities, go ahead.

I'm tied up with work and getting ready to go to ireland at the end of the week, will respond to discussion when I can.

Service tabs invisible in Plone --Simon Michael, Tue, 09 Dec 2003 14:34:11 -0800 reply
SimonMichael wrote:

Samotnik - so you do see the new actions in portal_types -> Wiki Page, right ? recentchanges etc. ? With category object_actions ?

If so my guess would be your plone is old and doesn't support that category of actions ?

Didn't hear any more on this. NB limi had a similar problem, in his case the actions did not appear in the ZMI because the old Zwiki .pyc files were not being regenerated for some strange reason, on windows. He had to delete them.

WikipageX w/ multiple parents --Simon Michael, Tue, 09 Dec 2003 14:47:15 -0800 reply
Samotnik wrote:

By the way, I think that the complaints of "no navigation" were actual some years ago, not now. Now we have a map (contents), AllPages, backlinks, Recent Changes, and badges. It is quite easy to find particular page.

Good.. I think that is especially true when show_navlinks and show_subtopics are switched on. I found subtopics really helpful for the ZWiki book outline. A pity I have to leave them off for performance reasons just at the moment.

Next issue in Plone - jaap --Simon Michael, Tue, 09 Dec 2003 14:52:26 -0800 reply
zwiki-wiki@zwiki.org wrote:

This "FuzzyURL? matching" thing doesn't seem to work for Plone then, do

That's correct, CMF/Plone doesn't allow our custom standard_error_message DTML method for some reason. I'd love someone to figure out why and how we can support that in plone.

Meanwhile, I'd be inclined to remove those next/prev issue links. Does anyone find them useful ? I believe they're hard-coded in Tracker.py.

Parents, taxonomy and reverse linking --Simon Michael, Tue, 09 Dec 2003 15:03:22 -0800 reply
This terrific link may also be relevant here: (tried to post recently but had too many apps running) GooGle:A+City+Is+Not+A+Tree by Christopher Alexander.

Though we use multiple parents rarely or never on zwiki.org, and the code ignores them when it doesn't know what else to do, I think it is a nice option to have. This, along with (especially) wiki links, make us a lattice, not just a tree as in that article.

I think (?) allowing multiple hierarchies is a separate issue from allowing multiple parents. The single hierarchy has the great advantage of simplicity and understandability and is what you most often need to bring order to docs, etc. I posted brief ideas not too long ago about grouping the same pages into multiple arbitrary hierarchies, defined by nested lists on pages, but couldn't get a handle on how to do it.

dumb question: how to change wiki layout? --Simon Michael, Tue, 09 Dec 2003 15:21:57 -0800 reply
zwiki-wiki@zwiki.org wrote:

I've been searching this site now for quite some time, but didn't find much info about how to change the wiki style. It seems I need to

See recent answer on RecentChanges? today.

I'm more interested in why you couldn't find the info. Did your search lead you to FAQ or CustomizingTheSkin ? If yes, did they lead you to the answer ? Or, did you come to the ZWiki page ?

If subtopics had been on, at least, I would have expected this to be easy to find.

dumb question: how to change wiki layout? --Simon Michael, Tue, 09 Dec 2003 15:22:19 -0800 reply
zwiki-wiki@zwiki.org wrote:

I've been searching this site now for quite some time, but didn't find much info about how to change the wiki style. It seems I need to

See recent answer on RecentChanges? today.

I'm more interested in why you couldn't find the info. Did your search lead you to FAQ or CustomizingTheSkin ? If yes, did they lead you to the answer ? Or, did you come to the ZWiki page ?

If subtopics had been on, at least, I would have expected this to be easy to find.

... --Simon Michael, Tue, 09 Dec 2003 15:35:11 -0800 reply
zwiki-wiki@zwiki.org wrote:

I'm confused. In my UserOptions page the dtml isn't being interpreted.

DTML-based pages in wikis aren't supported by default from 0.25. The ReleaseNotes describe this and what to do about it. You need to read them when you upgrade Zwiki. If you did, and it wasn't clear, let us know.

help with stylizing zwiki --Simon Michael, Tue, 09 Dec 2003 15:37:56 -0800 reply

come to get the new version of zwiki, but I'm confused as to how to duplicate some of my previous work. How can I edit the standard header and footer?

Your old ones should continue to work - no ? If not which version did you upgrade from, as a matter of interest ?

But the modern way is to customize the wikipage page template. CustomizingTheSkin or the old customization info on FAQ should pretty much answer this. If not let us know.

BTW, I'm VERY impressed in your work toward better standards compliant result pages. Alot of the problems were simple nesting issues, unclosed tags and the like, but still... good stuff guys!

On behalf of the Skin Team.. thanks!

Service tabs invisible in Plone --Samotnik, Tue, 09 Dec 2003 15:38:34 -0800 reply
Oh, excuse me for not replying - I don't know local customs here (ony half year here :). You wrote that I have old Plone, and I checked that You are right: no problem in new version. And now I know what is the mechanism.

Thank for second info: I will check these old .pyc files.

Next time I will confirm if OK in such cases. Excuse me again.

enabling dtml --Simon Michael, Tue, 09 Dec 2003 15:53:25 -0800 reply

alright now I enabled dtml for my wiki, and when I try to access a page in my browser that contains dtml... I get this message: Site
...
Unauthorized: You are not allowed to access wiki_page_url in this context

Your page includes some oooold DTML which accesses the wiki_page_url which was renamed long ago. We still support it for just such a case it's possible we've broken the permission on it. With what version of zwiki did you last see this page working ?

I can't see a problem, but you might replace the wiki_page_url definition in ZWikiPage.py with this:

     security.declareProtected(Permissions.View, 'wiki_page_url')
     wiki_page_url = Utils.page_url

and restart zope. Does that make a difference ?

Version of Zwiki --Samotnik, Tue, 09 Dec 2003 16:00:12 -0800 reply
By the way - I'm playing with Zwiki now in Plone 1.0.5 and 2.0 rc, and it works great! There is so much improvement last months.

I don't know how it works as wiki site, but didn't you think, Simon, to launch 1.0 version?

enabling dtml --Simon Michael, Tue, 09 Dec 2003 16:05:07 -0800 reply

I can't see a problem, but you might replace the wiki_page_url definition in ZWikiPage.py with this::

Or, just update your DTML page to the latest code of course. Eg from http://zwiki.org/zwikidir/content/dtml/UserOptions.stxdtml .

Or get rid of the DTML pages as discussed in the release notes. From now on, those DTML pages are really only needed if you want your users to be able to change them easily. Using the skin-based versions removes this source of upgrade problems.

permissions problem related to enabling dtml --Simon Michael, Tue, 09 Dec 2003 16:09:22 -0800 reply
zwiki-wiki@zwiki.org wrote:

every time i get the previous permissions error, i am booted out of zope entirely.

Yes, basic authentication works this way in all browsers as far as I know.

/setupDtmlPages doesn't seem to do anything (shouldn't it load all pages with "dtml" extensions from the skins/default folder into the ZODB?

No, it should install the pages in content/dtml/. RecentChanges?, etc. It doesn't do anything visible though, so your browser will just sit there. Maybe it should redirect to RecentChanges?, like setupTracker redirects to the tracker.

Service tabs invisible in Plone --Simon Michael, Tue, 09 Dec 2003 16:11:15 -0800 reply
Ah, thanks.

Version of Zwiki --Simon Michael, Tue, 09 Dec 2003 16:18:43 -0800 reply
Good - thanks for the report Samotnik.

Yes I think we are getting closer to 1.0. One big item remains: i18n. If possible I'd love to get fast subtopics in there too. Upload real files in CMF/plone. Update the BasicFrontPage. And, a big bug squashing party. That's what comes to mind right now.

radical scalability in Zwiki? --Simon Michael, Tue, 09 Dec 2003 17:52:15 -0800 reply
dan mcmullen wrote:

is Zwiki a timebomb of untapped potential? :-)

I've always liked to think so. :)

With the experience and enhancements so far, I would expect us to do scale fairly well traffic-wise. As in, responses would get proportionately slower, but it shouldn't blow up or anything. And throwing memory at zope and increasing the number of threads should make it much faster.

Well, we might see more of these catalog conflict errors that I get with subtopics on, even with subtopics off. If so, the rough but perhaps effective solution could be to just remove the catalog (again, throwing memory at it so all pages can sit in zodb cache).

We might see more simultaneous edit annoyances, such as recently reported.

We'd see more junk comments and test pages. We'd probably have to work harder to keep topic discussions in the right place. We'd probably soon get hit with more serious vandalism and have to develop our defense and repair mechanisms. WikiPedia actually used to have a "Wiki Militia" group standing by for just this situation. :)

Scaling to greater number of pages has received a fair bit of attention - with plenty of memory I would expect it to handle a lot more than we have right now.

It would be fun to find out.

dumb question: how to change wiki layout? --Stephan Herschel, Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:11:12 -0800 reply
Simon Michael wrote:

I'm more interested in why you couldn't find the info. Did your search lead you to FAQ or CustomizingTheSkin ? If yes, did they lead you to the answer ? Or, did you come to the ZWiki page ?

well, I'm no regular visitor of zwiki.org (although i think I should go there more often) and got lost a little in all of these links. I searched the site and also got no good results. So I just decided to ask - which worked just fine - Thanks!

If subtopics had been on, at least, I would have expected this to be easy to find.

-- forwarded from http://zwiki.org/GeneralDiscussion#msg3FD65689.8@joyful.com

dumb question: how to change wiki layout? --Simon Michael, Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:12:18 -0800 reply
Well good, at least the emergency fallback system worked :) Thanks.

new gmane interface --SimonMichael, Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:51:51 -0800 reply
I just saw the new, hard-core Gmane news-browsing interface (Loom). It's quite something, another powerful tool for browsing and searching zwiki.org discussion.

http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.zope.zwiki

epoz for html pages --SimonMichael, Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:56:01 -0800 reply
Updated MartaGeeslin? - this site now uses epoz for any page in HTML mode, like this:

 <textarea tal:condition="python:here.pageTypeId()!='dtmlhtml'"
 wrap="virtual" name="text" rows="20" cols="60"
 style="width:100%; background-color:#f0f0f0" tabindex="2"
 tal:attributes="rows rows; cols cols"
 tal:content="text">text...</textarea>
 <span tal:condition="python:here.pageTypeId()=='dtmlhtml'"
 tal:replace="structure python:here.Epoz(
 'text',
 data=here.text(),
 toolbox='/toolbox',
 lang='en',
 style='background-color:white;width:100%;height:400px;')
 "></span>

Simple, and not too shabby. Details such as checking it's installed, setup instructions etc. need to be worked out.

Adding Comment: automatically log user? -- Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:01:19 -0800 reply
Hi! is it possible to log user (and time) when somebody adds a comment so that the user name appears as acaption above the comment?

ZWiki on Mars :) --John Graham, Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:24:29 -0800 reply
Simon

Hows it goin ! I am working on another cool website for the Mars mission landing in January... http://wits.sdsu.edu/ I am using Plone2/python 2.3.2 and was hoping to use the ZWiki !

It seems like it is working so far ... but I get some errors when starting Zope... http://mars.telascience.org/ <<< staging server

/usr/local/Zope-2.7-head/lib/python/Products/ZWiki/Utils.py:24: DeprecationWarning?: Non-ASCII character \xe1 in file /usr/local/Zope-2.7-head/lib/python/Products/ZWiki/LocalizerSupport?.py on line 1, but no encoding declared; see http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0263.html for details from LocalizerSupport? import , N ------ 2003-12-17T06:37:30 BLATHER(-100) ZWiki could not import reStructuredText, will not be available

can you give me an idea what this will break ? or can it be fixed ??? :)

John

kill outgoing empty comment messages? -- Wed, 17 Dec 2003 06:44:00 -0800 reply
It seems to me like a high percentage of emails (esp from non-GenDisc? pages) are basically empty. The whole-site broadcast is overly-high-traffic as it is. How about a feature to repress short broadcasts? (I don't think I could get a Moz filter to treat content-length like a number and filter on min-size...)

kill outgoing empty comment messages? --DeanG, Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:16:09 -0800 reply
Non-action on empty items has been added (by me) to the IssueTracker. Didn't consider "short" messages.

kill outgoing empty comment messages? --DeanGoodmanson, Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:15:50 -0800 reply
For the time being, subscribing to the whole wiki in Digest Mode helps.

FilterIssues --DeanGoodmanson, Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:47:56 -0800 reply
Every link in the FilterIssues results includes an extensive QUERY_STRING.

I think this can be removed. Is there any intended purpose for it, or is it remnant of days gone by? It mucks with "visited" status tracking, when working down a list of issues and "tagging" which items you've addressed.

Users with Manager role can't view wiki pages --Bob Finch, Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:57:02 -0800 reply
Whenever any user with Manager role tries to view a wiki page, a RuntimeError? exception occurs with the message: FS Page Template wikipage_view has errors: exceptions.RuntimeError?. function attributes not accessible in restricted mode.

I'm running ZWiki-0.25, Plone-1.0.5, and Zope 2.6.2. Any way to allow managers to view wiki pages?

thx for the latest code changes --FlorianKonnertz, Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:41:10 -0800 reply
Hi! I just upgraded to latest cvs and had a close look into the sources, last time i did at 0.22 - he, much new code, good work! thx :) I'm still working to merge my changes, i will report again. - Currently my RC doesnt work, no idea why, maybe the page type does not do dtml?? - I must admit, i am little of the matter... hehe - Flo

How does this page type thing work now? --FlorianKonnertz, Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:40:18 -0800 reply
How does this page type thing work now? page type are objects? ehmm..? I ran upgrade on a page but it's not rendered as dtml as supposed, how can it even be, the property is not there anymore... Simon gimme a hint! :)

FilterIssues --Simon Michael, Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:33:51 -0800 reply
DeanGoodmanson wrote:

I think this can be removed. Is there any intended purpose for it, or is it remnant of days gone by? It mucks with "visited" status tracking, when working down a list of issues and "tagging" which items you've addressed.

I think you're right. It propagates the filter & sort options in to the issue page, and the previous/next issue links used to make use of this.

FilterIssues --DeanG, Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:07:15 -0800 reply
Thanks, the prev/next thing was the connection I was missing.

I'm not sure it mucks with the clicked link history.

comment subjects not in RecentChanges? --DeanGoodmanson, Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:49:14 -0800 reply
Just noticed that comment subjects not in RecentChanges?, only edit change note.

How does this page type thing work now? --FlorianKonnertz, Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:05:12 -0800 reply
Ok.... found the allow_dtml property :)

Security and wiki subscriptions --KentT, Sat, 20 Dec 2003 05:28:27 -0800 reply
Howdy,

I'm considering making a private page on my ZWiki, I'm wondering if subscribers to the whole site will get notifications of edits.

If so, can I suppress them?

Thanks
Kent

Security and wiki subscriptions --DeanGoodmanson, Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:07:43 -0800 reply
I think this requires PerPageMailoutSettings?, a wishlist feature.

The only workaround I can think of, is to make the site's mailout property "comments", then turn off comment privaledges for that page to ensure you only edit and someone with priveleges to edit doesn't accidentally comment on it. (The security settings are on a per/page basis, although most of the other wiki folder's aren't.)

ZWiki on Mars :) --Simon Michael, Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:18:36 -0800 reply
Hi John.. great stuff, I look forward to seeing this in action.

/usr/local/Zope-2.7-head/lib/python/Products/ZWiki/Utils.py:24: DeprecationWarning?: Non-ASCII character \xe1 in file /usr/local/Zope-2.7-head/lib/python/Products/ZWiki/LocalizerSupport?.py on line 1, but no encoding declared; see

Thanks.. that looks harmless, does it go away if you add:

  # -*- coding: utf-8 -*-

as the first line of that file ?

ZWiki could not import reStructuredText, will not be available

That just means the restructured text page type won't be offered. I believe RST is included with zope 2.7 though, so we probably need to update this check.

Zwiki and Zope 2.7 --Heimo Laukkanen, Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:02:59 -0800 reply
Hi all,

I've noticed still problem with Zope 2.7 and lastest ZWiki release. I've tried with beta 3 and the CVS head, but on both occasions if I try to add ZWiki page into Plone 2 site I get following error.

Traceback (innermost last): Module ZPublisher?.Publish, line 100, in publish Module ZPublisher?.mapply, line 88, in mapply Module ZPublisher?.Publish, line 40, in callobject Module Products.CMFFormController?.FSControllerPythonScript?, line 87, in __call__ Module Products.CMFFormController?.Script, line 127, in __call__ Module Products.CMFCore.FSPythonScript?, line 104, in __call__ Module Shared.DC.Scripts.Bindings, line 252, in __call_ Module Shared.DC.Scripts.Bindings, line 283, in _bindAndExec Module Products.CMFCore.FSPythonScript?, line 160, in _exec Module createObject, line 16, in createObject - - Line 16 Module Products.CMFCore.PortalFolder?, line 361, in invokeFactory Module Products.CMFCore.TypesTool?, line 709, in constructContent Module Products.CMFCore.TypesTool?, line 398, in constructInstance Module Products.ZWiki.CMFInit?, line 58, in addWikiPage Module OFS.ObjectManager?, line 277, in setObject Module Products.ZWiki, line 130, in manageafterAdd Module Products.ZWiki.CatalogAwareness?, line 121, in index_object Module Products.CMFCore.CatalogTool?, line 235, in catalog_object Module Products.ZCatalog.ZCatalog, line 513, in catalog_object Module Products.ZCatalog.Catalog, line 360, in catalogObject Module Products.ZCatalog.Catalog, line 298, in updateMetadata Module Products.ZCatalog.Catalog, line 437, in recordify Module Products.CMFDefault?.DublinCore?, line 138, in Date Module Products.ZWiki.CMF, line 51, in modified Module Products.ZWiki.Utils, line 307, in lastEditTime Module DateTime?.DateTime?, line 680, in __init SyntaxError?

Same thing works without any problems on 2.6.2 with Python 2.2.3.

-- -huima

Zwiki and Zope 2.7 --Samotnik, Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:55:36 -0800 reply
So many troubles for many people (I was one of the first :().

In Zope 2.7 distribution, Python module DateTime? is missing. So, You need to get from somewhere:

datetme.pyd, and put it to ...\Zope-2.7.0-b3\bin\DLLs?,

datetime.dll, and put it to ...\Zope-2.7.0-b3\bin\libs

and eventually make sure if datetime.h exists in your ...\Zope-2.7.0-b3\bin\Include

According to Alexander Limi, the module can be found in CVS od Zope. Maybe. If not, install Python 2.3.2 (not 2.2.3 - see http://zope.org/Products/Zope/2.7.0b3/announce/view) separately and copy the modules from this installation to the above folders of Zope.

I am looking for a sandbox for zwiki. ?

0.26rc1 released --simon, Sun, 28 Dec 2003 04:57:32 -0800 reply
the releases must go on.. happy holidays, all

Can't display `full' mode --flip, Mon, 29 Dec 2003 21:15:13 -0800 reply
Whenever I switch my displaymode to `full' via the menu I'm receiving a large traceback, culminating with a AttributeError: memoryusage message. This is with a virgin install of Zope 2.6.2/Python 2.1.3/ZWiki 0.26rc1. I had these problems w/ Zope 2.7 as well. There are also problems viewing UserOptions? and using the AllPages DTML as well, but figured that I'd start here. Am I missing something obvious?

Can't display `full' mode --Simon Michael, Tue, 30 Dec 2003 03:37:29 -0800 reply
flip wrote:

Whenever I switch my displaymode to `full' via the menu I'm receiving a large traceback, culminating with a AttributeError: memoryusage

Thanks - this slipped in from zwiki.org. I'll remove the memoryusage reference.

are also problems viewing UserOptions? and using the AllPages DTML as

You need to explicitly enable dtml as of 0.25 - ReleaseNotes should help.

Zmailboy -- Tue, 30 Dec 2003 08:25:12 -0800 reply
Does the Zmailboy set up as discussed on that page work. The page Zmailboy seems to say yes but then the comment that follows seems to imply otherwise. Here is what I posted there earlier this month, December, 2003:

CMF with wiki integrate with mailman list
Sat, 13 Dec 2003 12:33:09 -0800 reply Last comment on the page ZMailboy? says that "someone should have a go at making Zmailman work again.

Does CMF never the less still permit, with appropriate tweaks, CMF members access list archives, change mailman email address with CMF screen so that all CMF members are subscribed to the CMF list.

Is there a working model of such a CMF that I could take a look at.

Very much appreciated,

John JohnDeBruyn

P.S. Looks like CMF may be the solution to my need to integrate an existing active discussion list to a wiki, to be created, that would be integrated with the list in the sense that list prospective participants in the list and the wiki would have only one sign up routine to go through for both. J.

0.26rc2 released --SimonMichael, Tue, 30 Dec 2003 08:55:20 -0800 reply
Two skin problems were caught (thanks):

Zmailboy --SimonMichael, Tue, 30 Dec 2003 09:19:57 -0800 reply
Dang, I replied to this but can't find it now. In short, yes, I maintain a plone site integrated with a mailman list, using ZMailboy?, which has the single signup and single preferences. It's not so easy to set up, and not completely maintenance free, but generally works well.

0.26rc3 --SimonMichael, Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:34:18 -0800 reply
With help from ser on IRC, international characters in wikinames should now work better.

In other words: wikinames should now recognize the upper and lower-case letters defined by your locale, as intended (set the LANG environment variable and make sure the specified locale is installed on your system). As before, if no locale is set, some default international characters are recognized.

Can't display `full' mode -- Tue, 30 Dec 2003 14:33:10 -0800 reply
Excellent- sorry I didn't R enough of TFM.

SisterSite? portlet --FlorianKonnertz, Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:44:04 -0800 reply
I made a NooWiki:SisterSitePortlet (PlonePortlet?) which provides links to pages with the same name as the current, but in other wikis. It scans for all RemoteWikiURLs? in the whole wiki and sorts them by id. Of course this is very slow. It cant be done on every page call. It's sufficient to run that search with a cron job or manually. But where to store that information most elegant and efficient?? I couldn't decide for a final solution so i wanted to ask for your opinion. What do you think? In a Plone PropertySheet?? Or just on a WikiPage??

SisterSite? portlet --SimonMichael, Wed, 31 Dec 2003 02:38:06 -0800 reply
Hi Florian - I'd just store it as a folder attribute to begin with. You probably don't need a UI for it, unless it's a huge chunk of data and you need to remember it is there.

Zmailboy --Simon Michael, Wed, 31 Dec 2003 02:47:06 -0800 reply
PS it's a client site so not really visible, sorry. We also use EditMembers? for administering CMF members & mailman subscriptions.

0.26rc4 --simon, Wed, 31 Dec 2003 04:00:21 -0800 reply

SisterSite? portlet -- Wed, 31 Dec 2003 09:07:40 -0800 reply
does it make sense to assume that every RemoteWikiURL is a SisterSite??

and what do you do when the current page mentions a WikiWord? that doesn't exist locally but does exist on a SisterSite??

SisterSite? portlet --DeanG, Wed, 31 Dec 2003 09:26:04 -0800 reply

does it make sense to assume that every RemoteWikiURL is a SisterSite???

No, see BookLookup for an example of a URL Query hack. Other scenario's are SubWikis? referenced as a namespace.