Archived GeneralDiscussion.


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MailSupport?.formatMailout --Bob McElrath?, Sun, 01 Feb 2004 21:56:36 -0800 reply
The thing that is mangling email is MailSupport?.formatMailout. I removed it and just delivered the text as-is, and it looks fine both in email and on the web page.

What is this function supposed to do that I don't understand?

I want to do a lot of things with it...like make multipart/alternative with the STX rendered into HTML. But I don't think I know what's going on.

Cheers, Bob McElrath? [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics]?

Consolidation of Zwiki Pages --Dirk Wessel -- Mon, 02 Feb 2004 05:43:15 -0800 reply
I'am running Zwiki in a Plone environment and have devided my document into several Zwiki Pages (Sections). My users tell me that sometimes it would be helpful to have one consolidated document which they could print or download.

Is there any possibility in ZWIKI to provide them with this function?

Consolidation of Zwiki Pages --Dirk Wessel --DeanG, Mon, 02 Feb 2004 07:03:14 -0800 reply
See ZwikiPrinting for the possibility of..

The put all the pages under a single parent and "print with children" This method requires a dtml-method.

Or include a page with all the others included <dtml-var "pagename(bare=1)"> This requires supporting DTML in your wiki. (Is dtml support a per-page option, or must it be wiki-wide?)

Consolidation of Zwiki Pages --Dirk Wessel --Simon Michael, Mon, 02 Feb 2004 08:13:48 -0800 reply

See ZwikiPrinting for the possibility of..

Try eg PAGE/print on zwiki.org. I think this is Dean's enhanced version. I'm not sure how to offer this in the UI without having robots printing off the entire wiki all the time.

Or include a page with all the others included <dtml-var "pagename(bare=1)"> This requires supporting DTML in your wiki. (Is dtml support a per-page option, or must it be wiki-wide?)

The allow_dtml property can be per-page.

MailSupport?.formatMailout --Simon Michael, Mon, 02 Feb 2004 08:23:18 -0800 reply

What is this function supposed to do that I don't understand?

I've updated the docstring:

         This is supposed to present a diff, but in the most human-readable
         and clutter-free way possible, since people may be receiving many
         of these. In the case of a simple comment, it should look as if
         the comment was just forwarded out.  See
         test_formatMailout/testEndToEndCommentFormatting for examples.

Does this help ? Perhaps it should be renamed formatDiffForHumans, readableDiff or some such.

release pending --SimonMichael, Mon, 02 Feb 2004 09:05:06 -0800 reply
Was out all day yesterday.. currently blocked by #693 make Zwiki compatible with STX i18n patch ? which I'll have to postpone, any help welcome.

MailSupport?.formatMailout --Bob McElrath?, Mon, 02 Feb 2004 11:49:24 -0800 reply
Simon Michael [zwiki-wiki@zwiki.org]? wrote:

Does this help ? Perhaps it should be renamed formatDiffForHumans, readableDiff or some such.

Well, since the email was sent from a mail client, why should it be modified at all? Is this intended mostly for comments submitted through the web-form? If that's the case than it should only be applied there because it is mangling citations. Are people pasting diffs onto web forms? If I understand correctly, this should be moved to EditingSupport?.quickcomment or EditingSupport?._cleanupText right?

Well let me try a diff to test this... Here's what I did yesterday. It renders citations with <blockquote> which I like. An example page is Test. Any complaints if I merge this?

Index: PageTypes?.py =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/zwiki/zwiki/PageTypes?.py,v retrieving revision 1.11 diff -c -r1.11 PageTypes?.py * PageTypes?.py 24 Jan 2004 23:29:44 -0000 1.11 --- PageTypes?.py 2 Feb 2004 19:31:29 -0000 *********** 118,132 *** class AbstractHtmlPageType?(AbstractPageType?): supportsHtml = yes

def renderCitationsIn(self,page,t): lines = string.split(t,\n) for i in range(len(lines)): if lines[i] and lines[i][0] == '>': lines[i] = '>' + lines[i][1:] + '' if i < len(lines)-1 and lines[i+1] and \ lines[i+1][0] == '>': lines[i] += '
' return string.join(lines,\n)

def makeCommentHeading(self, page, subject, username, time, --- 118,149 ---- class AbstractHtmlPageType?(AbstractPageType?): supportsHtml = yes

def renderCitationsIn(self, page, t): inblock = 0 blocklines = [] blockend=0 lines = string.split(t, \n) t = "" for i in range(len(lines)): m = re.match(r'^>\s?(.*)$', lines[i]) if(m): if(not inblock): if(i>0 and re.match(r':$', lines[i-1])): t += string.join(lines[blockend:i-1],\n) t += lines[i] + \n else: t += string.join(lines[blockend:i],\n) t += '\n

\n' inblock = 1 blocklines.append(m.group(1)) elif(inblock): inblock = 0 blockend=i t += self.renderCitationsIn(page,string.join(blocklines, \n)) t += '\n\n
\n' blocklines = [] t += string.join(lines[blockend:], \n) return t

def makeCommentHeading(self, page, subject, username, time,

Cheers, Bob McElrath? [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics]?

MailSupport?.formatMailout --Bob McElrath?, Mon, 02 Feb 2004 12:24:27 -0800 reply
Are you seeing this?

Can you give me an example of what it's supposed to be doing?

Cheers, Bob McElrath? [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics]?

MailSupport?.formatMailout --Simon Michael, Mon, 02 Feb 2004 13:12:25 -0800 reply
Bob McElrath? wrote:

Well, since the email was sent from a mail client, why should it be modified at all?

I have forgotten.. there was a reason. I'll have to think about it.

page is Test. Any complaints if I merge this?

This whole area is finely balanced (delicate) and I'd like to see more discussion before you dive into this. For a start, do the tests still pass ?

MailSupport?.formatMailout --Simon Michael, Mon, 02 Feb 2004 13:21:54 -0800 reply
Bob McElrath? wrote:

Are you seeing this?

No. Sorry if I'm being dense but I don't know what you mean, or what you're fixing yet.

format patches, please --SimonMichael, Mon, 02 Feb 2004 13:32:22 -0800 reply
And why stop being a curmudgeon just when I'm getting into it..

a reminder to all, if you will remember to stx-format your patches and tracebacks it means they can be read without additional effort. HowToPostPatches?/HowToPostATraceback (indent and prepend a ::) .

MailSupport?.formatMailout --Bob McElrath?, Mon, 02 Feb 2004 13:36:35 -0800 reply
Simon Michael [zwiki-wiki@zwiki.org]? wrote:

Bob McElrath? wrote: > Well, since the email was sent from a mail client, why should it be > modified at all?

I have forgotten.. there was a reason. I'll have to think about it.

How do you usually read mail from zwiki? I'm using mutt. But the mangling is visible on the web too. Look at your message from this weekend http://zwiki.org/GeneralDiscussion#msg20040131034955.GJ965@mcelrath.org

Mail is placed into the page without formatting changes (which is correct) but before mailing to subscribers, MailSupport?.formatMailout wraps lines and such.

Cheers, Bob McElrath? [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics]?

(restarted) --SimonMichael, Mon, 02 Feb 2004 13:56:37 -0800 reply
The site was being super-slow and repeated conflict errors in the log. I have restarted it.

(restarted) --DeanG, Mon, 02 Feb 2004 14:09:19 -0800 reply
Sorry, archiving Jan. GeneralDiscussion

MailSupport?.formatMailout --Bob McElrath?, Mon, 02 Feb 2004 14:26:31 -0800 reply
Simon Michael [zwiki-wiki@zwiki.org]? wrote:

For a start, do the tests still pass ?

Yes, all tests pass. (Plone tests weren't run
I think you guys are using Plone 2.0, I've got 1.0)

The Makefile is highly dependent on your paths, I'll try to generalize it.

Cheers, Bob McElrath? [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics]?

MailSupport?.formatMailout --SimonMichael, Mon, 02 Feb 2004 14:45:47 -0800 reply
I have some thoughts/questions about this particular case.. can we take it to an issue page ?

Generally - I'm really glad you're willing to work on this area. I want to warn you that it was really hard to nail down all the confusing formatting, attribution and other issues involved in the various messaging paths to get to the current basic-but-stable condition. So I beg you, let's talk through how it should behave and proceed test-first.

FYI it used to pass mailed-in comments through without reformatting but there were problems with this, formatting-related, believe it or not. The details will come back to me.

MailSupport?.formatMailout --SimonMichael, Mon, 02 Feb 2004 14:54:14 -0800 reply

Yes, all tests pass. (Plone tests weren't run

Great. There seems to be a bug in CMFPlone?/tests/PloneTestCase?.py, I patched it this way recently:

 default_user = 'testuser' #SKWM bug: ZopeTestCase.user_name no longer exists

but I see a couple of failing tests, so I'm not quite on top of it yet.

(restarted) --Simon Michael, Mon, 02 Feb 2004 15:14:18 -0800 reply
Thank you!

"NameError? (LOG is undefined)" is a conflict error --Simon Michael, Mon, 02 Feb 2004 16:40:41 -0800 reply
Bob McElrath? wrote:

I did a /clearCache on GeneralDiscussion and it gave me a NameError? (LOG is undefined) -- which you recently removed. Though now GeneralDiscussion is fine. (??)

DLOG was the one I renamed. The above is a typical one-off error you see in the browser, more common with big/slow pages, due to a conflict error. In the log it looks something like this:

  ------
  2004-02-02T16:12:50 INFO(0) ZODB conflict error at 
/VirtualHostBase/http/www.zwiki.org:80/GeneralDiscussion200401 (3 conflicts 
since startup at 2004-02-02T16:04:11)
  ------
  2004-02-02T16:12:50 BLATHER(-100) Conflict traceback
  Traceback (innermost last):
   File /usr/local/zope/software/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 102, 
in publish
   File /usr/local/zope/software/lib/python/Zope/App/startup.py, line 200, in 
commit
   File /usr/local/zope/software/lib/python/ZODB/Transaction.py, line 235, in 
commit
   File /usr/local/zope/software/lib/python/ZODB/Transaction.py, line 349, in 
_commit_objects
   File /usr/local/zope/software/lib/python/ZODB/Connection.py, line 300, in 
commit
  ConflictError: database conflict error (oid 000000000034ffc7, class 
Products.ZWiki.ZWikiPage.ZWikiPage)

Zwiki 0.27 released --Simon Michael, Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:03:53 -0800 reply
Zwiki 0.27 has been released.

Summary: new, faster page hierarchy implementation; access keys everywhere; utf-8 everywhere; page management form and action icons in plone; bugfixes.

There are a couple of upgrade issues this month, check http://zwiki.org/ReleaseNotes and http://zwiki.org/KnownIssues .

This release makes it practical to enable the full hierarchy features (show_subtopics, show_navlinks) in all wikis, including large ones. Thanks to steady and committed community input we are making progress on all fronts, but especially the last big 1.0 blocker: i18n. Right now we need developers to help do (mostly straightforward) i18n of python code; see http://zwiki.org/i18n for details.

Cheers, -Simon

PurpleNumbers in doghouse? -- Tue, 03 Feb 2004 07:43:58 -0800 reply
I thought I remembered seeing PurpleNumbers throughout the zwiki site - now only a small number of pages seem to have them. Was there a problem?

PurpleNumbers in doghouse? --Simon Michael, Tue, 03 Feb 2004 08:32:43 -0800 reply
I never enabled them throughout the wiki, just on a couple of pages. FlorianKonnertz has done more extensive testing on his wiki.

zwiki.org under heavy load --Simon Michael, Tue, 03 Feb 2004 10:57:32 -0800 reply
We are being hammered by a couple of unidentified robots and the site is unusable, partly due to the extra expensive urls I exposed in the skin for access keys (eg /print), forgetting robots would see them. Unfortunately the urls have been gathered and so just removing the links isn't enough. Bear with me while I figure out how to get control again.

RecentChanges?-Dates not updated -- Wed, 04 Feb 2004 13:52:58 -0800 reply
Hi guys!

Thank you very much for Zwiki! Unbelievable what you can do with it!

I made up a Zwiki for the Freemind-Project (http://freemind.sourceforge.net).

It would be great if somebody can give us a hand with the following problem:

On the following RecentChanges?-page, all changes have the same time and are not sorted in order: http://freemind.freezope.org/FreemindWiki/RecentChanges

Just change something in http://freemind.freezope.org/FreemindWiki/Sandbox and see for yourself.

Of course that is really bad for a Wiki.

Thanks you very much in advance to any comments,

:) Helge

Article: Rewrites Considered Harmful? --PieterB, Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:38:17 -0800 reply
I just read Rewrites considered harmful?.

This document collects some thoughts on the tendency to totally rewrite Version 2.0 of successful software (and standards) just because the first version is perceived to be "messy" and "unmaintainable". Does this really help anybody, does it result in better systems, and when is "good enough", well, enough? Are we doomed to a constant cycle of churning and rewriting? At the end of the article I suggest that there is a "cost" involved with totally rewriting any popular package or standard, which depends on three factors - the amount of accumulated wisdom that will be lost, the degree of incompatibility with the older version, and lastly the number of users of the old system.
It has been "discussed" on slashdot, but I liked the title (refers to famous article of Dijkstra), and I think the Rewrites considered harmful should have some more attention in the Python/Zope world.

RecentChanges?-Dates not updated --Simon Michael, Wed, 04 Feb 2004 18:38:42 -0800 reply
Hi Helge,

that was a puzzle. It seems RC was broken in 0.22. Assuming upgrading might not be easy, I installed 0.21's RC code as a workaround.

Freemind looks cool, can we plug zwiki into it ?

RecentChanges?-Dates not updated -- Thu, 05 Feb 2004 00:11:33 -0800 reply
Hey Simon!

Thank you very much for helping us!

Yeah, please plug Zwiki into Freemind!! A fusion of these two would probably reform the whole Wiki-szene and eventually the internet (no joke, thats my opinion)! Rendering Zwikis with Freemind would make them so much more attractive to users. The first step could be to add a save format to Freemind which is Wiki-style, in any case more human readable than the current XML-format. Then you could edit Wiki-pages in Freemind.

Anybody interested in this topic: http://freemind.freezope.org/FreemindWiki/FreemindWikis might be the right Homepage for discussing this topic further.

Yours, :) Helge

RecentChanges?-Dates not updated --Bob McElrath?, Thu, 05 Feb 2004 00:43:10 -0800 reply
zwiki-wiki@zwiki.org [zwiki-wiki@zwiki.org]? wrote:

Hey Simon!

Anybody interested in this topic: http://freemind.freezope.org/FreemindWiki/FreemindWikis might be the right Homepage for discussing this topic further.

I'm not familiar with Freemind but I decided to keep a knowledge base in ZWiki: http://mcelrath.org/Notes/ I would be interested in further development along the knowledge-base idea, but so far the simple idea of interlinked notes has satisfied me. LatexWiki gives me math and ZWiki gives me searching so I'm happy so far.

I looked briefly at Freemind, but java gives me a hernia, not to mention what it does to my browser. The maps look neat, but are they useful?

Also, for ZWiki folk, I think have figured out how to get ZWiki/LatexWiki to give users either an image or MathML? for equations (and the browser chooses), but it will require strict XHTML. Any thoughts on this? Can older browsers view XHTML at all or will it require ZWiki to deal with sending separate content based on user-agent? Those interested in MathML? should check out Distler's blog: http://golem.ph.utexas.edu/~distler/blog/index.shtml which uses MathML?. And I put up some instructions on getting MathML? working in your browser: http://mcelrath.org/Notes/MathML These notes will still require further refinement (Symbol font), but the basic procedure will work.

Cheers, Bob McElrath? [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics]?

"I'm not reading this...this is bullshit" Secretary of State Colin Powell, regarding the first draft of his speech to the UN to persuade them to invade Iraq, prepared by Vice President Dick Cheney's staff. US News & World Report, June 9 2003, p. 14-18

RecentChanges?-Dates not updated -- Thu, 05 Feb 2004 03:16:16 -0800 reply

The maps look neat, but are they useful?

At least they are very useful for many people. Freeminds helps to "mindmap". Mindmapping is used by a large number of people wordwide. Further info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindmapping

:) Helge

Freemind -- Thu, 05 Feb 2004 03:24:51 -0800 reply

The maps look neat, but are they useful?

At least they are very useful for many people. Freeminds helps to "mindmap". Mindmapping is used by a large number of people wordwide. Further info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindmapping

:) Helge

Zwiki issue: Error when editing -- Thu, 05 Feb 2004 03:29:27 -0800 reply
Hey Simon! Hey people!

This is not as important as my last issue, but if you like, we would appreciate your help again:

Freezope offers a nicer version of Zwiki than the one we use now. We would like to use that for Freemind. I installed one on our site, but I get an ugly error page, when I try to edit a page. See for yourself:

http://freemind.freezope.org/FreemindWikiV2/FrontPage/editform

Thanks again for any comments,

:) Helge

PS: Sorry for the recent double post.

http://freemind.freezope.org/FreemindWikiV2/FrontPage/editform

PS: Sorry for the recent double post.

Zwiki issue: Error when editing --Greg Lewin, Thu, 05 Feb 2004 05:21:18 -0800 reply
zwiki-wiki@zwiki.org wrote:

Hey Simon! Hey people!

This is not as important as my last issue, but if you like, we would appreciate your help again:

Freezope offers a nicer version of Zwiki than the one we use now. We would like to use that for Freemind. I installed one on our site, but I get an ugly error page, when I try to edit a page. See for yourself:

http://freemind.freezope.org/FreemindWikiV2/FrontPage/editform

Thanks again for any comments,

:) Helge

PS: Sorry for the recent double post.

http://freemind.freezope.org/FreemindWikiV2/FrontPage/editform

PS: Sorry for the recent double post.
forwarded from http://zwiki.org/GeneralDiscussion#msg20040205032927-0800@zwiki.org

Are you using zwiki-web or zwiki-web orig in the drop-down menu for the Add option?

the "orig" option seems to have permanently broken backlinks; it seems to be there for historical interest.

I've concluded that one should only use the zwiki-web (not the orig one), as the former one seems to be the newer one as well.

Hope this is clear!

G

... -- Thu, 05 Feb 2004 05:53:57 -0800 reply
OK, thank you Greg!

That is very interesting indeed! I thought the "orig"-one is newer, because its design looks newer, nicer and with colors and stuff. And only the installation of this "orig"-one asks, if I want a "basic wiki" or a "newer Wiki which is based on zwiki.org". http://freemind.freezope.org/FreemindWikiV2 is based on the "orig"-one. http://freemind.freezope.org/FreemindWikiV is based on the "not-orig"

:) Helge

RecentChanges? again --Greg Lewin, Thu, 05 Feb 2004 11:42:31 -0800 reply
Hi,

As someone else has noted here recently, the RecentChanges? page does not seem to update properly - I still get something like this:

Pages changed in the last ... (41) ... with summaries

Page Edited by Time

ZWiki (NEW) anonymous Jan. 22, 2004 7:47 pm SandBox (NEW) anonymous Jan. 22, 2004 7:47 pm PrivacyAndConfidentiality (NEW) anonymous Jan. 22, 2004 7:47 pm BookClub (NEW) anonymous Jan. 22, 2004 7:47 pm InterVarsityClub (NEW) anonymous Jan. 22, 2004 7:47 pm MailInFacility (NEW) anonymous Jan. 22, 2004 7:47 pm

The date never changes;

The list is never updated in accordance with changes, but the order does seem to change according to recently VISITED pages.

Greg.

... --Simon Michael, Thu, 05 Feb 2004 13:02:16 -0800 reply
Helge, Greg - I don't know what's installed on freezope.org (I'd like to see the add zwiki web form some time).

I think you are stuck at Zwiki 0.22 and can't upgrade until freezope does, correct ?

Zwiki 0.22 shipped with only one wiki template (set of default pages), which is called basic. That's the only one that's guaranteed to be fully functional; anything else in the add zwiki web form probably contains some out of date templates and DTML pages, especially if it's really old.

Even if you choose basic, as Helge points out RecentChanges? doesn't work. To fix it you need to replace it's code with the RecentChanges? code that shipped with 0.21 (copy from Helge's page linked previously).

Does that help ?

freezope skins --SimonMichael, Thu, 05 Feb 2004 13:12:06 -0800 reply
PS and in any already-existing wiki, if you remove or rename any old DTMLMethods? or PageTemplates in your wiki folder - standard_wiki_header, editform, wikipage etc. - (but keep index_html & standard_error_message) the more up-to-date Zwiki 0.22 default skin should appear, which you may prefer.

Of course you can customize those templates to make it look like whatever you want. I would use the ones shipped with Zwiki 0.22 as a starting point. CustomizingTheSkin , FAQ should have more on this.

... --Greg Lewin, Thu, 05 Feb 2004 14:41:59 -0800 reply
Simon Michael wrote:

Helge, Greg - I don't know what's installed on freezope.org (I'd like to see the add zwiki web form some time).

I think you are stuck at Zwiki 0.22 and can't upgrade until freezope does, correct ?

Zwiki 0.22 shipped with only one wiki template (set of default pages), which is called basic. That's the only one that's guaranteed to be fully functional; anything else in the add zwiki web form probably contains some out of date templates and DTML pages, especially if it's really old.

Even if you choose basic, as Helge points out RecentChanges? doesn't work. To fix it you need to replace it's code with the RecentChanges? code that shipped with 0.21 (copy from Helge's page linked previously).

Does that help ?

-- forwarded from http://zwiki.org/GeneralDiscussion#msg4022AF03.7010903@joyful.com

Hi Simon,

I have cut/pasted the old -21 code into the RC pages of my freezope zwikis (only two of them fortunately!) and that fixes the problem for now.

Sorry to be so slow on the uptake !

btw, would creating a single -21 RC page in the parent folder and removing the dud ones from daughter folders do the same job?

Greg

more recent changes options --Simon Michael, Thu, 05 Feb 2004 14:58:49 -0800 reply

btw, would creating a single -21 RC page in the parent folder and removing the dud ones from daughter folders do the same job?

Kind of.. the daughter wikis will acquire the parent's RC page (cf SubWiki). Links to RC will appear as ../RecentChanges? . I'm not so sure it will show the changes from the sub folder though.

No, I would 1. replace them all for the time being, 2. get freezope to upgrade to 0.26 or 0.28cvs, 3. then delete them all and rely on the built-in skin-based recentchanges instead.

... --Greg Lewin, Thu, 05 Feb 2004 15:19:14 -0800 reply
Ok folks, a little gentle nagging of freezope needed perhaps ...

Freezope Zwiki mailing list? --DeanG, Thu, 05 Feb 2004 15:33:24 -0800 reply
A lot of the traffic on the freezope help list has been about Zwiki. (My apologies for lack of support in this area recently, I've had trouble focusing extra-curicular time lately.)

Yet, there are a few key problems: 1. Who on Freezope uses the wiki? 2. Of those, who is ready for monthly, or some other (voted on?) period of upgrades?

Solutions: 1. Freezope Zwiki mailing list? ...must get freezope maintainers to subscribe, thus a FreeZopeZwikiDiscussion? page might, or might not, work. 2. A community wiki at Freezope based of the "latest" wiki code--subwiki's for experimental skins, etc. ?? Cons: Cost, etc.

Garbled thoughts, if interested, I can elaborate.

Slightly off topic: Is there a freezope IRC channel? Anyone interested in some schedules Zwiki IRC meeting times (with agenda,topics,etc.)?

Freezope Zwiki mailing list? --Simon Michael, Thu, 05 Feb 2004 16:21:22 -0800 reply

A lot of the traffic on the freezope help list has been about Zwiki.

Huh, I didn't know about these. They're not too well linked, are they ? I found them via http://www.zope.org/Members/bas/freezope-2000-users which also mentions IRC.

It sounds to me like these plus zwiki.org and #zwiki provide enough places for discussion. If I get time I'll subscribe to the freezope list. If it were on gmane I'd definitely subscribe.

Slightly off topic: Is there a freezope IRC channel? Anyone interested in some schedules Zwiki IRC meeting times (with agenda,topics,etc.)?

Yep. If scheduled I'd try and make it. I'm on most in the mornings PST.

Freezope Zwiki mailing list? --Simon Michael, Thu, 05 Feb 2004 16:25:16 -0800 reply
PS I'm on the imeme list of course.. should I be on the zettai list ? (where is my clone today ?) It would be really great if all ZSPs? had their lists in gmane.

Zwiki 0.27.1 released --SimonMichael, Fri, 06 Feb 2004 01:10:32 -0800 reply
A bugfix release. Boo, we don't like those.

Freezope Zwiki mailing list? --DeanGoodmanson, Fri, 06 Feb 2004 11:23:07 -0800 reply

IRC.

Looks like they do have an IRC server, but no mention of channels.

List

http://lists.amaze.nl/pipermail/discussion/ , not GMane?'d afaik.

To you sort these messages with a zwiki filter on client or gmane side?

Zwiki IRC meetings

Weekday mornings are usually bad for me. Are there any topics that came to mind at this mention, Simon?

Security and permissions, especially with plone -- Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:57:25 -0800 reply
How the heck do you properly set up ZWiki permissions in plone? By default, users can't even create ZWikis? let alone add to them, and anonymous users have even less hope. Being new to Zope, the permissions have me boggled. How do I properly set this thing up? What I need are exact instructions, as I fear it'll be easy to botch if I try.

Permissions for anonymous to add pages -- Fri, 06 Feb 2004 19:19:26 -0800 reply
I've given all the permissions to the anonymous user that involve "ZWiki:" in zope/plone, but they still can't create a new page from a "?" link - they get asked to login. How do I fix this?

Security and permissions, especially with plone --SimonMichael, Fri, 06 Feb 2004 21:57:18 -0800 reply
Fortunately, I have just been updating http://plone.org/documentation/howto/HowToAddAWiki . See if the link there makes it clear.

Security and permissions, especially with plone -- Sat, 07 Feb 2004 01:03:24 -0800 reply
That helps a bit, but I'm still unclear as to what permissions to allow where (Zope's permission system is a bit boggling at the start). Currently, I've added all ZWiki: permissions to anonymous at the root of my plone folder and crossed my fingers doing so doesn't make my site insecure. The biggest problem remaining, though, is anonymous users still can't add new pages or define [terms] - they get the option to do so with the proper ZWiki: permission granted, but as soon as they try to submit their change, it asks them to login. Anonymous edits is one of the biggest benefits of a wiki I think, so I really want to get that working. zwiki.org's zwiki can do it, so it must be possible. I'd much appriciate any advice from y'all with zope-fu. :)

Security and permissions, especially with plone --Samotnik, Sat, 07 Feb 2004 06:37:09 -0800 reply
Probably You have similar problem as I had: how to permit anonymous and registered users to add new pages to the Wiki existing already in Plone, and - at the same time - to keep the con trol of creating new Wikis. I solved this in the following way:

pagetype problem -- Mon, 09 Feb 2004 18:22:31 -0800 reply
when I edit a page in Plone 1.05 I get the message:

Warning: this page's type (msgstxprelinkdtmlfitissuehtml (Structured Text) at 0x9447ecc>)
 is not one of the allowed types for this wiki. If you save this page it's type will change 
and it may break. 

I've tried running upgradeAll but it didnt help. Any suggestions.

pagetype problem --Simon Michael, Mon, 09 Feb 2004 18:39:38 -0800 reply
Hmm..

you can save me some time by also providing your Zwiki version

have you just upgraded Zwiki ? If so what version were you running previously ?

do you have an allowed_page_types property on your wiki folder ?

do you have a customized edit form ? Look for an editform object in your wiki folder

Thanks.

minor vandal --Simon Michael, Mon, 09 Feb 2004 18:46:52 -0800 reply
I cleaned up and blocked a web spammer over the weekend. Sorry, whole-wiki subscribers. Luckily I saw it shortly after it started, or who knows how many pages it would have done.

If/when/before this happens more often we'll need some smarter defenses. I'm guessing the easiest way would be to set up some standard apache module and have it try to recognize suspicious patterns of activity and block automatically.

minor vandal --DeanG, Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:07:52 -0800 reply
This seems to have affected BillSeitz:FrontPage also. :-(

yup -- Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:27:16 -0800 reply
see TheSpamProblem --BillSeitz

Security problem, anonymous can't search -- Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:27:41 -0800 reply
Howdy,

I just upgraded to 2.7 rc2, ZWiki 2.7.1, ran upgradeAll. I still need to log in to use the search box, RecentChanges? and AllPages.

I can't find where I've got permissions fouled up, here's the traceback.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Traceback (innermost last):
  • Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 163, in publish_module_standard Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 127, in publish Module Zope.App.startup, line 203, in zpublisher_exception_hook Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 100, in publish Module ZPublisher.mapply, line 88, in mapply Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 40, in call_object Module Products.ZWiki.ZWikiPage, line 240, in __call__ Module Products.ZWiki.ZWikiPage, line 253, in render Module Products.ZWiki.PageTypes, line 239, in render Module Products.ZWiki.ZWikiPage, line 296, in evaluatePreRenderedAsDtml Module OFS.DTMLDocument, line 128, in __call__ URL: http://192.168.1.2:8080/wiki/SearchPage/manage_main Physical Path:/wiki/SearchPage Module DocumentTemplate.DT_String, line 474, in __call__ Module DocumentTemplate.DT_In, line 676, in renderwob Module AccessControl.ImplPython, line 161, in guarded_getitem Module AccessControl.ZopeGuards, line 71, in guarded_getitem

Unauthorized:

Thanks,

Kent

!Echo Wiki: lessons learned --DeanGoodmanson, Wed, 11 Feb 2004 07:36:24 -0800 reply
Sam Ruby's slides are here: http://intertwingly.net/slides/2004/etcon/ Interesting near-history of a wiki.

minor vandal -- Wed, 11 Feb 2004 09:16:34 -0800 reply
And imeme.net's wiki, and lazug.org's. Did they go through the PeopleUsingZwiki ?

Security problem, anonymous can't search -- Wed, 11 Feb 2004 09:19:47 -0800 reply
Kent - that usually means you don't have Access contents information permission. I posted on your discussion page. Any luck ?

rather good manifesto --SimonMichael, Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:07:03 -0800 reply
http://www.worldofends.com/

#bottom --> #permalink? --DeanGoodmanson, Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:22:21 -0800 reply
Forgive this test. Prior to comment perma-links, comments redirected to the #comment. What's your thoughts on changing it to redirecto the the comment permalink?

Noticed this as I blew back down to the comment box, past my recent post. Would a user want to "see their results" or "go back to where they came from" ?

a little cleanup --SimonMichael, Wed, 11 Feb 2004 22:02:59 -0800 reply
I deleted some pages which seemed content-free/duplicated PeopleUsingZwiki. Sorry if I clobbered yours. I'm not sure whether to delete more or encourage a page per site.

Zwiki in Plone -- Wed, 11 Feb 2004 23:39:28 -0800 reply
Since there isn't a Zwiki folder type in Plone anymore, is there any automatic way for Members of a Plone site to create a folder that when linked to, will direct you straight to the FrontPage of your wiki without resorting to DTML?

Zwiki in Plone --SimonMichael, Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:34:19 -0800 reply
Good question. PAGE/setupDtmlMethods would set up the index_html for you, but I don't think it works in CMF/Plone. I heard that plone 2 folders would support FrontPage as a fallback default view, or that it would be easily configurable, but I don't know more.

#bottom --> #permalink? --SimonMichael, Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:44:55 -0800 reply
No strong feeling here.. for me they are usually similar

Subclassing ZWikiPage -- Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:56:24 -0800 reply
I am new to ZWiki and I would like to extend its amazing capabilities by subclassing it and creating specializations of ZWikiPage, such as a BookZWikiPage? containing properties such as author, ISBN, etc along with specific methods, such as looking up the book info in amazon.com or in the library of congress.

I wonder whether anybody has experience with this way of extending ZWiki and I would appreciate any help. Thanx!

Permissions oddness -- Thu, 12 Feb 2004 05:19:30 -0800 reply
I checked permissions on Access contents information, indeed it was Manager I changed it, Anonymous still couldn't access any page-listing pages

I then noticed that Access contents information is assigned to Anonymous in the root folder, and Acquire permissions settings is checked in the wiki. I started looking at other permissions in the wiki which were acquiring permissions, they seem to all be assigned to Manager, regardless of what is configured in root. This seems wrong, am I missing something here?

I changed a number of others which looked pertinent to my problem, still can't allow Anonymous to access page-listing pages.

Well, I'll be a monkey's uncle, now it's working

Due the mysteries of (I believe) various caching along the route from ZODB to my browser, I cannot pinpoint when it started working. I had been checking after making changes, the fixed behaviour showed up at a seemingly random point ...

Thanks
Kent

Subclassing ZWikiPage --DeanGoodmanson, Thu, 12 Feb 2004 09:35:34 -0800 reply
Do you want something similar to the IssueTracker? See the ZwikiRecordBook page, also.

In the realm of books, your thoughts on BookLookup would be appreciated.

Subclassing ZWikiPage --SimonMichael, Thu, 12 Feb 2004 12:05:34 -0800 reply
We should develop a good answer for this. Let's gather notes at SubclassingZwikiPage (better name ?).

Permissions oddness --SimonMichael, Thu, 12 Feb 2004 12:06:50 -0800 reply
Kent - good. The VerboseSecurity? product helps solve these mysteries.

crawl, crashes --SimonMichael, Thu, 12 Feb 2004 12:36:18 -0800 reply
Yes we are being crawled by google this morning.. occasionally it hits something expensive and the site becomes slow. I changed the contents link so there is only one url, but google has cached all the old contents links so it's getting them all.

Also we are crashing with SIGSEGV 11 when it gets diffs, because my patched python got lost in the recent freebsd upgrade. :( I expect freebsd 5.1's python stack size is bigger, but it's not enough for zope & zwiki.org. We needed 1Mb last time.

I might just hold off rebuilding python for a bit, however; the vast majority of these crashes are triggered by diff's regular expressions and tweaking them might make us more robust on freebsd without all this patching nonsense.

crawl, crashes --SimonMichael, Thu, 12 Feb 2004 12:41:00 -0800 reply
And I'll block googlebot until then, I guess. Done. Site should be working normally now, aside from restarting if you view diffs.

URL path broken --Steven Kane, Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:06:53 -0800 reply
I recently put up a ZWiki and I am having a bit of trouble. All the tabs at the top and (random?) links in pages are being written as http://localhost:8080/xxx instead of http://outside.address/xxx. The port change breaks my Apache Gateway and the localhost prevents outside users from doing anything but looking at the page. I cant see any difference between the links that are getting written correctly and those that arent.

Wiki's at Disney --DeanGoodmanson, Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:15:21 -0800 reply
The Emerging Tech notes regarding Disney's use of Weblogs, RSS and Wikis goes in that order of air-time. Key thing I've gotten from use of wiki's: "Change-notification was key to encouraging participation" Source: http://craphound.com/rssetcon04.txt , http://ross.typepad.com/blog/2004/02/disney_enterpri.html

Subclassing ZWikiPage -- Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:19:43 -0800 reply
I have added some content to SubclassingZwikiPage. Please post your comments there! Thanx!

URL path broken --SimonMichael, Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:36:47 -0800 reply
We need a troubleshooting how-to for this problem as it's common but hard to help with. The answer is probably one of these:

URL path broken --Steven Kane, Fri, 13 Feb 2004 01:43:23 -0800 reply
OK, I found a reference to this problem on the Zope web site at http://www.zope.org/Members/anser/apache_zserver but this still presents a problem. What if the machine has multiple interfaces/addresses? I'm still confused. Do I have to sacrifice one of the interfaces (two actually because I think I will also loose local access on that machine).

URL path broken --Steven Kane, Fri, 13 Feb 2004 11:00:41 -0800 reply
I added a SiteRoot? and ZWiki works through the external interface but I've lost access through localhost and the internal interface. I addition, I've lost the ability to manage zope (because theres no hole thru the firewall for 8080?). Can anyone help me please?

URL path broken --Steven Kane, Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:31:24 -0800 reply
I guess I'm going to have to punt here and give up on Zwiki. It looks like Zope's inner workings are just plain incompatible for use in this situation. Its not a Zwiki problem per se. So can someone recommend another Wiki that will serve my purpose better such as PHP wiki, or C++ wiki, or perl-cgi's, or ... I need to get something going here and I dont have the time to try them all out. I've already spent a week here. Whatever I use needs to get along well thru a gateway, preferably hosted transparently on another host (Linux or FreeBSD?) hidden behind Apache and probably with multiple interfaces. No Windows here.

URL path broken --DeanG, Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:41:27 -0800 reply
Give KWiki a whirl for the latest trend in quick-n-vanilla wiki.

just plain incompatible for use in this situation.

But, but...what is your situation? Do you have non-vanilla needs?

URL path broken --Steven Kane, Sat, 14 Feb 2004 01:45:42 -0800 reply
I guess you didn't read previous messages. You should do that. I have zope two levels deep behind a firewall on a machine with multiple interfaces. The way zope calculates URLs? seems to be fraught with problems when using Apache as a gateway. And using SiteRoot? seems to break more things than it fixes. I'm afraid that KWiki might be bigger load than I would hope. If it calculates URL's the same way as zope then it wouldnt fix anything for me either.

URL path broken --Steven Kane, Sat, 14 Feb 2004 01:55:29 -0800 reply
P.S. punching 8080 thru the firewall did not restore access to zope manage. The wiki app works but everything else is Jose'd. The SiteRoot? trick broke more than it fixed!

URL path broken --SimonMichael, Sat, 14 Feb 2004 02:38:53 -0800 reply
SiteRoot? was just one possibility.. you're right, it doesn't always work and I think VirtualHostMonster? is a better bet.

But I'm just guessing. To get better advice you'll have to give us more information. There are a lot of ways people can set up zope, apache, and virtual hosting, unfortunately it's just one of those painful issues most people deal with once and then forget.

site back up, cvs on server --SimonMichael, Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:24:32 -0800 reply
I broke the site during refactoring last night.. fixed.

The ZWiki code on this server has always been a mirror of my local working copy, updated via rsync. Now it is itself a CVS working copy. This should make some things easier, like quickly installing any version, or occasional remote development on the server. I'll still use rsync to push experimental changes which aren't yet in cvs.

URL path broken --DeanG, Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:48:08 -0800 reply

I guess you didn't read previous messages. You should do that.

Oh but I did, and clueless regarding the technical solution to your problem, and seeing you we're venturing into other wiki-flavors, inquired regarding your general wiki needs/scenario. Perhaps I should have specified "What are your general wiki requirements?". "Vanilla" was too vauge, and your currently up to your neck in technical frustration. Best of luck. Looking forward to hearing the outcome.

latest cvs code bad, site back up --SimonMichael, Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:59:40 -0800 reply
:( Rolled the site back to 0.27.1 for the moment.

mailing list down the last couple of days --SimonMichael, Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:08:15 -0800 reply
More fallout from the imeme freebsd upgrade. Sendmail is not starting up right. Hang in there while the dust settles.

inspiration for zwiki & plone hackers --SimonMichael, Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:46:52 -0800 reply
http://demo.silverorange.com is very interesting. These are the people working on the Firefox visual identity, if you're wondering.

Zwiki in Plone 2.0 -- Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:20:13 -0800 reply
Yes! Plone does now use FrontPage as its fallback when no index_html is available. Pretty cool!

Zwiki in Plone 2.0 --SimonMichael, Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:19:35 -0800 reply
Good. Yes, I just learned about plone's default_page property which you can set on a folder if you want it to look for something other than FrontPage and index_html etc. Be warned, it must be a lines property.

Usability issue with Zwiki 0.27.1 -- Tue, 17 Feb 2004 00:03:28 -0800 reply
I notice that a "new parent, name or replacement:" mini-form was added after each view page. I am sure this is going to be too confusing for my users, so I would like to be able to turn it off. The only way I found was to remove "rename", "reparent" and "delete" permission for normal users. It would be great if this could be made configurable as a property of the containing folder.

Simon answered: These used to be harder to see but that too was confusing. Yet another folder property might be confusing. Do you find changing the permissions inconvenient ?

Yes, I would like to allow users to rename a page. However, usually people will just want to view a page and will even ignore the fact that they have the possibility to change the content. Seeing a general-purpose text area with insider know-how in the area that the "general public" will see is confusing.

Notice the use of "insider" concepts: reparent (people usually don't know that pages have parents!), or replacement (I actually don't know what that is).

For me, the audience for this functionality is clearly those who want to edit something about the page
so it should go on the edit, not the view page. In addition, I find the multiple use of the text input field confusing: The meaning of what I type in there depends on the button I click. That makes the label "new parent, name or replacement:" very difficult to understand, and it is very confusing when you have only e.g. the Rename permission to see a text field labelled "new parent, name or replacement" with only a "rename" button. So I'd rather separate these, so that unexperienced users understand directly what they can or cannot do.

(sorry for the long comment)

Usability issue with Zwiki 0.27.1 --simon, Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:27:34 -0800 reply
Thanks for reposting.. yes I see your point. I'm not sure what would be best, let me review. As of 0.27:

Other thoughts: did you see the help tooltips when you mouse-over the form elements ?

Should we present the concept of reparenting/page hierarchy by default ? Until now we have not, mostly, except in a few places. Currently,

What's best to do ?

freeforms vs wikinames --simon, Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:06:08 -0800 reply
My latest doc efforts (see ZwikiDocumentation) are increasing tensions between free-form and wikiname pages! For example: over on ZWiki I am moving towards having all the essential documentation contained in the Chapter pages. So [What is it ?]? now wants to be the primary page, displacing good old ZwikiInANutshell. What of the nice simple link on FrontPage, then ? Does it become [What is it ?]?, do we fall back on HTML "What is it ?":[What is it ?]? (ugh), do we bite the bullet and support page aliases/redirects so that alternate names can be used ? Isn't that confusing ?

subtopics and documentation --simon, Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:23:36 -0800 reply
Subtopics display is sometimes working for me, sometimes against.

Pro: when documentation is spread across multiple pages, it provides an automatic table of contents. Most of all, it makes what's in the wiki much more visible.

Con: many subtopics are not immediately relevant to someone seeking documentation, and they may distract/intimidate. "Organize the wiki" and "Provide clear documentation" goals are in conflict here.

freeforms vs wikinames --DeanG, Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:38:25 -0800 reply
More info to (hopefully) clear, not muddy, the water.

Page aliases are realllly cool, but too spagetti-able? Time to go spelunking MeatBall. (Uh-oh, mixed metaphors! ;-)) Can we experiment slowly with plurals support?

freeforms vs wikinames --simon, Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:39:48 -0800 reply
Actually we already have a number of HTML links on the front page; one more probably wouldn't hurt all that much.

This may be a little shocking to the old-school, brace yourselves, but I can see value in this convention: wikinames for techies and rapid notes; freeform names for end users and more finished documentation. A project can migrate from the former to the latter as it matures.

Am I sadly deluded and straying from the wiki way ?

usability, minimal mode ? --simon, Tue, 17 Feb 2004 14:01:49 -0800 reply
This applies to the default skin.

Speaking of visual clutter, and related to the issue of displaying hierarchy by default - now that we have access keys for most of the site navigation links, an experienced user can quickly get around a strange wiki with a keypress or two (at least until those plone guys start moaning.. :). The other benefit of those links - making those features visible/accessible to new visitors seems less important.

Should we show minimal mode by default ?

freeforms vs wikinames --simon, Tue, 17 Feb 2004 14:06:33 -0800 reply
One more thing: I should note that one of reasons plain wikinames aren't working for end-user documentation is that I can't control their ordering in subtopics. With freeform names I can insert chapter numbers to get this.

table of contents macro --simon, Wed, 18 Feb 2004 00:06:34 -0800 reply
I added toc.py to the DTMLCookbook.

DTMLCookbook cleanup --simon, Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:39:41 -0800 reply
Dean, Florian - I tweaked that page a bit more, and removed your PageMaintainers badge as per usual. If you want to update further/put your name back, please feel free.

cmf.zope.org down -- Thu, 19 Feb 2004 06:22:42 -0800 reply
the cmf area on zope.org has been down for a couple of days. cmf files arent available from zope at the moment. I only have cmf-1.4 and need cmf-1.4.2 to try out zope 2.7 and plone 2.0. Anyone have a link to a copy of cmf-1.4.2?

Thanks.

cmf.zope.org down --MarkBronstein?, Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:13:32 -0800 reply
FYI, the site is back up and the downloads are back again.

... -- Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:44:58 -0800 reply
Plones up but where is Plone Set Up :) JohnDeBruyn

interesting google games :) --Samotnik, Thu, 19 Feb 2004 14:30:05 -0800 reply
type in "bush's foreign friends" in google, and look at the top hit. It is one of many projects of the Internet artist Douwe Osinga. He is one of the creators of the world66 Open Source Project announced today on zope.org. More google projects on his page http://douweosinga.com/projects/googlehacks.

Zwiki Plone docs --DeanG, Thu, 19 Feb 2004 14:39:13 -0800 reply
[Chapter 08: Zwiki and Plone]?

Plone 1 not Plone 2 -- Thu, 19 Feb 2004 14:44:46 -0800 reply
Thanks Dean: I am in plone 1 not plone 2 and see that what I want is CMF installer. The link much appreciated. John

Plone 1 not Plone 2 --SimonMichael, Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:35:19 -0800 reply
John: try to start with Plone 2. Plone 1 doesn't really cut it these days.

Vanishing comment box and footer -- Sun, 22 Feb 2004 03:37:43 -0800 reply
I have recently installed Zope and Zwiki (2.7.0 and 0.27.1 respectively, on Py2.3.3 & XP), and I am having a problem with the comment box and new parent/name/replacement footer sometimes not appearing on my pages. If I view the page in the management interface it is there, and then if I go back to the page it has reappeared. It may be something I have done wrong, but it seems to me to be a bug in Zwiki. Has anyone else had this problem?

Zwiki Security -- Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:56:30 -0800 reply
Having trouble setting up security so that the edit link appears in the top right for all users but clicking it forces a login - anybody able to share particulars on how to do this?

Zwiki Security --DeanG, Mon, 23 Feb 2004 08:11:59 -0800 reply
Make that edit link send the user to an object which requires authentication (security properties) AND forwards the user on to the pages editform. See SearchPage? for some examples of forwarding code. Not sure the best way to pass the current page name to the transition object...query parameter?

Zwiki Security -- Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:17:20 -0800 reply
I was hoping to use the default edit link in the top right hand corner - do I have access to that bit of code in the Zwiki product? I want to allow users to create new pages without forcing them to know a lot about ZWiki or Zope - so if I have to create a special link for them to include on each new page it won't be usable the way I'm hoping. I'll check out the SearchPage? as you suggest - please let me know if you think I'm misunderstanding your reply. Thanks for the help.

Zwiki Security -- Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:18:32 -0800 reply
I was hoping to use the default edit link in the top right hand corner - do I have access to that bit of code in the Zwiki product? I want to allow users to create new pages without forcing them to know a lot about ZWiki or Zope - so if I have to create a special link for them to include on each new page it won't be usable the way I'm hoping. I'll check out the SearchPage? as you suggest - please let me know if you think I'm misunderstanding your reply. Thanks for the help.

Plone 2 integration issues --JároliJózsef, Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:06:17 -0800 reply
It would would be very useful if some metadata could be added to every ZwikiPage?, especially keywords (for instance having an other tab, like properties). I'm gathering contents to Topics with keyword properties, and the site many times shows related objects in the related slot. So this could help a lot to interconnect wiki pages with other content types. Am I saying something contradictory, or can you propose a workaround?

Other issue perhaps worth consideration is the possibility of ordering the pages in wiki contents, not just by alphabetical order. (Just like Plone 2 has integrated the Plone Folder Order Prouct)

Plone 2 integration issues --DeanG, Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:48:10 -0800 reply

Other issue perhaps worth consideration is the possibility of ordering the pages in wiki contents, not just by alphabetical order. (Just like Plone 2 has integrated the Plone Folder Order Prouct)

What other orders? AllPages also provides another view.

Vanishing comment box and footer --SimonMichael, Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:36:38 -0800 reply
That sounds like a permissions issue. Check the Security tab for those pages in the ZMI. Look at the Zwiki permissions at the bottom and make sure they all have the default setting (acquire).

Zwiki Security --SimonMichael, Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:54:05 -0800 reply
I've made an answer at http://zwiki.org/FAQ#How%20do%20I%20make%20the%20edit%20link%20bring%20up%20a%20login%20form? , I hope that helps.

Plone 2 integration issues --SimonMichael, Mon, 23 Feb 2004 13:03:37 -0800 reply
Hi Jároli.. something like that might be good. We get at least some of that already with backlinks, if you make your wiki list all the backlinks eg in a box as FlorianKonnertz does.

I have been meaning to add ordering of subtopics, like drupal, so that we don't need to rely on alphabetic naming to order documentation topics. I'm not sure it's worth the added complexity, but we should try it.

hello --SimonMichael, Mon, 23 Feb 2004 13:25:35 -0800 reply
Happy monday all. I'm sorry we still have no mail flowing, this is starting to suck. I am hoping if I ignore it just a bit longer the imeme issue will get fixed. Should not be much longer.

I want to welcome a "new" CVS committer - DeanGoodmanson! He is working on internationalising strings in the product code at present. This is very welcome, thanks Dean.

If anyone else wants to help out with this, there's plenty to do; see i18n for ideas. For CVSRepository access, just send me your sourceforge id, or better send me a patch or two first eg if you're a new python developer. That way I can give you some pointers if needed and we'll avoid time-wasting cleanups.

moodle, php --SimonMichael, Mon, 23 Feb 2004 23:39:45 -0800 reply
Yet another of those very impressive sites you come across every so often.. http://moodle.org . We should learn from them.. as long as the general fabulousness is not too much to bear..

This is interesting: http://moodle.org/doc/index.php?file=philosophy.html

Moodle's docs look like this: http://moodle.org/doc/

Moodle started with zope but switched to PHP. (Have you noticed that PHP sites are on the whole far prettier than zope sites, as well as being much faster ? Why is this ?)

Vanishing comment box and footer -- Tue, 24 Feb 2004 08:00:50 -0800 reply
Thanks - I did have all the permissions set to Acquire, but in the root folder Anonymous users did not have permission to add comments (or edit pages etc).

This raises a question in my mind. If you have a Zwiki that is read-only for the great unwashed, but can be edited by known users, then how do the users log in? According to the Zope docs you are presented with a login dialog when you try to do something that you do not have permission for. However if you view a Zwiki page without the permissions to edit it, then there is no link for editing the page, or adding a comment. So the user has no way of attempting to do the actions required to log himself in. You can explicitly go to the management page by typing in the /manage url, and then hit the back button, but that seems a bit klutzy. How do people get round that?

PS how do I get my name to appear after the subject line when I add a comment?
DaveKirby

Vanishing comment box and footer --SimonMichael, Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:07:37 -0800 reply
http://zwiki.org/GeneralDiscussion#msg20040223125405-0800@zwiki.org :)

Your name will appear in comment headings if you are logged in, or if you enter a name at UserOptions? (prefs).

The Power Of The Context --simon, Wed, 25 Feb 2004 23:59:04 -0800 reply
Alan Kay won a prize yesterday, and here's his speech .

zwiki.org upgraded --simon, Thu, 26 Feb 2004 01:40:24 -0800 reply
I have upgraded the site to python 2.3.3 & zope 2.7.0. Yaaaay!

Learning how to work 2.7 hasn't been smooth at all. Aside from that it seems very nice indeed. Thank you Chris and zope hackers.

ZWiki download link broken -- Fri, 27 Feb 2004 03:57:40 -0800 reply
http://zwiki.org/releases/ZWiki-0.27.1.tgz gives 404 Not Found....

ZWiki download link broken --simon, Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:25:28 -0800 reply
Thanks, it seems LocalFS doesn't work with 2.7 yet. I have linked to zope.org for now.

My email reply didn't appear on the page, still problems with mail-in ?

0.28rc1 released --SimonMichael, Fri, 27 Feb 2004 23:34:35 -0800 reply
I have put out 0.28rc1, despite a number of issues still being nailed down. Please hammer on it with plone 2, zope 2.7, etc. No release notes yet, I believe it's all bugfixes.

more downtime --SimonMichael, Sat, 28 Feb 2004 22:25:41 -0800 reply
Bear with me.. I think I need to update the ZopeOutOfMemoryKiller? for 2.7.