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RemoteWikiURL: http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?

UseModWiki is a Perl-based wiki that is highly portable (runs under UNIX or Win32 with either Apache or IIS) and is very easy to set up.  All the code is in one file, with the commented configuration variables at the top.  

See UseModWiki:RecentChanges to try it out, and for documentation (minimal) and announcements of new versions.

See MeatballWiki:RecentChanges for a more active example of the UseModWiki code.

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Comparison of ZWiki with UseModWiki (moved from DebianWiki which used to run on ZWiki):

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My favourite wiki sw written in Perl --DavidAndel 

I am just beginning what comes to my mind and will continue later.  
--DavidAndel 

*Cool...I'll intersperse my comments in italics.  --MichaelIvey*

<em><font color="red">
and mine are red :) --SimonMichael
</font></em>

What makes UseMod better than ZWiki IMHO:

* there is no preview possible before saving a page in ZWiki - and it does not accept the Back button of the browser, so I have always to wait for a new page and a new edit page...

<em><font color="red">
the page is the preview. It's supposed to be easy to edit.. this site has
a problem fixed in more recent zwiki/zwikidotorg template, where you get
an edit conflict with yourself if you backtrack. Upgrade recommended.
</font></em>

* the compare function in ZWiki is very bad - you can reach it only from the actual page, not from RecentChanges directly, and it is quite ugly and hard to read (UseMod with the UseMod:WikiPatches/AccessibleDiffs patch is really neat) *I'll give you this one...it's a major feature I'd like to see added to ZWiki.*

<em><font color="red">
More recent zwiki/zwikidotorg template improve this a bit. Eg click the
timestamps at http://zwiki.org/FastChanges
</font></em>

* the "Copy to present" asks for a password I have no idea where to get it (it's not in the UserOptions AFAIS) - and even if I would, it's a hassle not to be able to edit the actual history page I am looking at but having to copy it to present first and so on... *This is a Zope permissions problem...I'm working on it.*

* authors of historical pages show up always as "Anonymous user" only *That's the junction of Zope and ZWiki.  Zope thinks you're Anonymous...just because you have a ZWiki cookie, you don't have a Zope user.  If ZWiki managed revisions internally, this would be solved.*

<em><font color="red">
Agreed. The zope undo history is something we got for free, but zwiki doesn't
yet have really nice edit history support. 
</font></em>

* the RecentChanges page is not customizable *It is...just need admin privs.  What would you like to see changed?*

<em><font color="red">
Consider leaving it editable like the others.. ? I think it's confusing
when some pages are and some aren't. If not, current zwikidotorg template
will at least hide the edit link as a cue.
</font></em>

* as you can see in *this* very list, it's **not** possible to make a list without empty lines in between without using < br > at each line end :-((
*Is that a big deal?  I never minded the extra whitespace.*

* you have to use < hr > for a horizontal rule, no easier syntax is available :-( *I wish it worked with ---- ... another thing to add to the ZWiki todo list.*

* (I like the markup in UseMod better, but this is just a matter of habit of course)

Two other things:

* possible bug: when you look at my page DavidAndel, then you'll see that I had to use two < br > for each line. The normal spacing does not seem to work :-( *For whatever reason, your pages got created as HTML, not StructuredText.  Don't do **ANY** 'br' tags and it should be OK, by default.* It doesn't do now, even when I remove all HTML tags whatsoever. I guess when the page is saved as HTML once it doesn't fall back to StructuredText?

<em><font color="red">
they probably got created from a htmldtml page (RecentChanges, SearchPage
?) and therefore inherited that type. Restore to 'structuredtext' in the ZMI
since the option is not shown to users. Set a 'standard_page_type' string
property on the folder to 'structuredtext' or whatever to force the type
of new pages.
</font></em>


* just for installing ones own wikis: UseMod needs nothing but Perl and standard Unix stuff, whereas for ZWiki one has to install the whole Zope stuff first. *'apt-get install zwiki' usually works, but I see your point.*

<hr>
You can use UseMod for external links.


<em><font color="red">
No advocacy intended, but help available if you need it - I'm sm on #zope.
Lots of performance and functionality boosts available from zwiki in cvs.
Cf http://zwiki.org/GeneralDiscussion & http://zwiki.org/ChangeLog for details.
</font></em>



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This page was once one of the trouble-spots of ZWiki (problems with the remote URLs), but the problems have been fixed (we hope).


From unknown Sun Aug 3 14:35:00 GMT 2003
From: 
Date: 2003/08/03 14:35 GMT
Subject: 
Message-ID: <20030803143517GMT@zwiki.org>

this page looks ugly with all the interspersed HTML tags which seem to should have been rendered... what's up?


From JohnDeBruyn Sun Aug 3 15:22:00 GMT 2003
From: JohnDeBruyn
Date: 2003/08/03 15:22 GMT
Subject: 
Message-ID: <20030803152242GMT@zwiki.org>

Fixed, the uglies are gone with the page now set to "Structured Text + DTML" as its page type. J

From unknown Wed Sep 24 08:55:42 -0700 2003
From: 
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 08:55:42 -0700
Subject: &#45208;&#45768;
Message-ID: <20030924085542-0700@zwiki.org>
In-reply-to: <20010101000000-0800@zwiki.org>

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RemoteWikiURL: http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?

UseModWiki is a Perl-based wiki that is highly portable (runs under UNIX or Win32 with either Apache or IIS) and is very easy to set up. All the code is in one file, with the commented configuration variables at the top.

See UseModWiki:RecentChanges to try it out, and for documentation (minimal) and announcements of new versions.

See MeatballWiki:RecentChanges for a more active example of the UseModWiki code.


Comparison of ZWiki with UseModWiki (moved from DebianWiki? which used to run on ZWiki):


My favourite wiki sw written in Perl --DavidAndel

I am just beginning what comes to my mind and will continue later. --DavidAndel

Cool...I'll intersperse my comments in italics. --MichaelIvey

and mine are red :) --SimonMichael

What makes UseMod? better than ZWiki IMHO:

  • there is no preview possible before saving a page in ZWiki - and it does not accept the Back button of the browser, so I have always to wait for a new page and a new edit page...

the page is the preview. It's supposed to be easy to edit.. this site has a problem fixed in more recent zwiki/zwikidotorg template, where you get an edit conflict with yourself if you backtrack. Upgrade recommended.

  • the compare function in ZWiki is very bad - you can reach it only from the actual page, not from RecentChanges? directly, and it is quite ugly and hard to read (UseMod? with the UseMod:WikiPatches/AccessibleDiffs patch is really neat) I'll give you this one...it's a major feature I'd like to see added to ZWiki.

More recent zwiki/zwikidotorg template improve this a bit. Eg click the timestamps at http://zwiki.org/FastChanges

  • the "Copy to present" asks for a password I have no idea where to get it (it's not in the UserOptions? AFAIS) - and even if I would, it's a hassle not to be able to edit the actual history page I am looking at but having to copy it to present first and so on... This is a Zope permissions problem...I'm working on it.
  • authors of historical pages show up always as "Anonymous user" only That's the junction of Zope and ZWiki. Zope thinks you're Anonymous...just because you have a ZWiki cookie, you don't have a Zope user. If ZWiki managed revisions internally, this would be solved.

Agreed. The zope undo history is something we got for free, but zwiki doesn't yet have really nice edit history support.

  • the RecentChanges? page is not customizable It is...just need admin privs. What would you like to see changed?

Consider leaving it editable like the others.. ? I think it's confusing when some pages are and some aren't. If not, current zwikidotorg template will at least hide the edit link as a cue.

  • as you can see in this very list, it's not possible to make a list without empty lines in between without using < br > at each line end :-(( Is that a big deal? I never minded the extra whitespace.
  • you have to use < hr > for a horizontal rule, no easier syntax is available :-( I wish it worked with ---- ... another thing to add to the ZWiki todo list.
  • (I like the markup in UseMod? better, but this is just a matter of habit of course)

Two other things:

  • possible bug: when you look at my page DavidAndel, then you'll see that I had to use two < br > for each line. The normal spacing does not seem to work :-( *For whatever reason, your pages got created as HTML, not StructuredText. Don't do ANY br tags and it should be OK, by default.* It doesn't do now, even when I remove all HTML tags whatsoever. I guess when the page is saved as HTML once it doesn't fall back to StructuredText?

they probably got created from a htmldtml page (RecentChanges?, SearchPage? ?) and therefore inherited that type. Restore to structuredtext in the ZMI since the option is not shown to users. Set a standard_page_type string property on the folder to structuredtext or whatever to force the type of new pages.

  • just for installing ones own wikis: UseMod? needs nothing but Perl and standard Unix stuff, whereas for ZWiki one has to install the whole Zope stuff first. *apt-get install zwiki usually works, but I see your point.*


You can use UseMod? for external links.

No advocacy intended, but help available if you need it - I'm sm on #zope. Lots of performance and functionality boosts available from zwiki in cvs. Cf http://zwiki.org/GeneralDiscussion & http://zwiki.org/ChangeLog for details.


This page was once one of the trouble-spots of ZWiki (problems with the remote URLs?), but the problems have been fixed (we hope).


comments:

... -- 2003/08/03 14:35 GMT reply
this page looks ugly with all the interspersed HTML tags which seem to should have been rendered... what's up?

... --JohnDeBruyn, 2003/08/03 15:22 GMT reply
Fixed, the uglies are gone with the page now set to "Structured Text + DTML" as its page type. J

나니 -- Wed, 24 Sep 2003 08:55:42 -0700 reply
나나니