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From SimonMichael Tue May 3 12:57:43 -0700 2005
From: Simon Michael
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 12:57:43 -0700
Subject: wiki symposium in october
Message-ID: <d58jm2$dt0$1@sea.gmane.org>

http://snipsnap.org/space/2005+International+Symposium+on+Wikis


From DeanG Wed May 4 08:39:53 -0700 2005
From: DeanG
Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 08:39:53 -0700
Subject: wiki symposium in october
Message-ID: <20050504083953-0700@zwiki.org>
In-Reply-To: <d58jm2$dt0$1@sea.gmane.org>

Anyone going?

From DeanG Fri May 6 14:21:42 -0700 2005
From: DeanG
Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 14:21:42 -0700
Subject: Overzealous Googlebot
Message-ID: <20050506142142-0700@zwiki.org>

Has any Zwiki been bit by this? http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2005/05/google_web_acce_1.html

From d2m Sun May 8 00:29:38 -0700 2005
From: d2m
Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 00:29:38 -0700
Subject: Overzealous Googlebot
Message-ID: <20050508002938-0700@zwiki.org>

if not, it would not harm to check for the HTTP_X_MOZ header before serving the page ( see http://david.backpackit.com/pub/37983 )

From DeanG Mon May 9 09:24:39 -0700 2005
From: DeanG
Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 09:24:39 -0700
Subject: Jakob likes the Search button
Message-ID: <20050509092439-0700@zwiki.org>

http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20050509.html -- "Summary: 
Users now have precise expectations for the behavior of search. Designs that invoke this mental model but work differently are confusing. 
Search is such a prominent part of the Web user experience that users have developed a firm mental model for how it's supposed to work. Users expect search to have three components: 

* A box where they can type words 

* A button labeled "search" that they click to run the search 

* A list of top results that's linear, prioritized, and appears on a new page -- the search engine results page (SERP) "

This one cropped up in my area, too (rollout time, not in reaction to this article).  Added a magnifying glass to reduce header noise.  Removed ""=all search functionality.

From DeanG Tue May 17 06:18:44 -0700 2005
From: DeanG
Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 06:18:44 -0700
Subject: XTech2005 - Prescod on Wiki and XML
Message-ID: <20050517061844-0700@zwiki.org>

`Paul Prescod "will explain":http://www.xtech-conference.org/2005/thursday.asp#8 how to join the creative chaos of a wiki with the semantic structure of XML documents. ` - http://usefulinc.com/edd/blog/contents/2005/05/17-xtech-preview/read  

From simon Fri May 20 07:29:20 -0700 2005
From: simon
Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 07:29:20 -0700
Subject: work hour today
Message-ID: <20050520072920-0700@zwiki.org>

Zwiki work hour on #zwiki at 1000 PDT today! That's 2.5 hours from now. Come and help if you can. I have 15 minute, half hour and hour tasks to hand out. #zwiki and chat client links are at http://zwiki.org/FrontPage .

From simon Fri May 20 10:16:30 -0700 2005
From: simon
Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:16:30 -0700
Subject: work hour in progress
Message-ID: <20050520101630-0700@zwiki.org>

Welcome to the ZwikiWorkHour, do not hesitate to step forward to #zwiki if you want to make something happen in Zwiki Land in the next 45 minutes :)

From simon Sun May 22 17:22:15 -0700 2005
From: simon
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 17:22:15 -0700
Subject: testing
Message-ID: <20050522172215-0700@zwiki.org>

HowToMakeContentsExpandable is installed on zwiki.org again for testing, though not yet working for me.

From SimonMichael Sun May 22 17:30:11 -0700 2005
From: Simon Michael
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 17:30:11 -0700
Subject: #1108 harmonise CSS class and macro names (new)
Message-ID: <42912437.8060203@joyful.com>
In-Reply-To: <20050522172929-0700@zwiki.org>

simon wrote:

>As part of skins cleanup, I'd like to harmonise the CSS class and page template macro names. This might mean renaming some of the classes. People with customised skins please let me know if you think this would be a problem.
>--
>forwarded from http://zwiki.org/1108HarmoniseCSSClassAndMacroNames#msg20050522172929-0700@zwiki.org
>  
>


From unknown Mon May 23 15:25:05 -0700 2005
From: 
Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 15:25:05 -0700
Subject: Migrating to Zwiki
Message-ID: <20050523152505-0700@zwiki.org>

We have two wiki servers (one zwiki and other twiki) on that maintain our documents/pages. Since it is always better to have all similar stuff at one place, we decided to move to zwiki (since this has a lot more pages and used by a lot more people in our company). Does anyone know what is the best way to move pages from our twiki servers to zwiki servers. Does someone have to manually copy all the pages and check formatting etc, or is there is a better way. 

Thanks, 
Gaurav

From BobMcElrath Mon May 23 15:30:07 -0700 2005
From: Bob McElrath
Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 15:30:07 -0700
Subject: Migrating to Zwiki
Message-ID: <20050523223005.GA4853@mcelrath.org>
In-Reply-To: <20050523152505-0700@zwiki.org>

anonymous [zwiki-wiki@zwiki.org] wrote:
> We have two wiki servers (one zwiki and other twiki) on that maintain
> our documents/pages. Since it is always better to have all similar
> stuff at one place, we decided to move to zwiki (since this has a lot
> more pages and used by a lot more people in our company). Does anyone
> know what is the best way to move pages from our twiki servers to
> zwiki servers. Does someone have to manually copy all the pages and
> check formatting etc, or is there is a better way. 

As far as I know there is no automatic program to convert from TWiki
syntax to ZWiki syntax.  Though it looks like they are very similar.
One could probably write a script to convert your pages en masse.
(Please share if you do!)

As for getting them into zwiki, the ZServer has an ftp back-end, so you
can copy them all at once with FTP (assuming you have them as text files
from TWiki).



From nachtigall Tue May 24 00:41:12 -0700 2005
From: nachtigall
Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 00:41:12 -0700
Subject: Migrating to Zwiki
Message-ID: <20050524004112-0700@zwiki.org>
In-Reply-To: <20050523152505-0700@zwiki.org>

Maybe this helps: http://diberri.dyndns.org/html2wiki.html
(this is just the frontend to a perl lib). Maybe you could take the TWiki html output and convert it.

From SimonMichael Wed May 25 10:26:58 -0700 2005
From: Simon Michael
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 10:26:58 -0700
Subject: Migrating to Zwiki
Message-ID: <4294B55F.8060508@joyful.com>
In-Reply-To: <20050523223005.GA4853@mcelrath.org>

Bob McElrath wrote:

>As for getting them into zwiki, the ZServer has an ftp back-end, so you
>can copy them all at once with FTP (assuming you have them as text files
>from TWiki).
>  
>

Only if you figure out how to make FTP create zwiki pages instead of 
dtml documents.
I know it can be done, if you find out please update 
http://zwiki.org/HowToCreateZwikiPagesWithPut


From DeanG Thu May 26 15:24:57 -0700 2005
From: DeanG
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:24:57 -0700
Subject: UserOptions vandel deterance
Message-ID: <20050526152457-0700@zwiki.org>

I like the no links without UserOptions set.   Would that just as easily apply to: Page footer controls and DIFF controls?

From simon Fri May 27 07:43:32 -0700 2005
From: simon
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 07:43:32 -0700
Subject: site outage
Message-ID: <20050527074332-0700@zwiki.org>

Disk had filled up again leading to ioerrors on zwiki.org. I have cleaned up and installed a monitor script that will warn me when it gets low.

From simon Fri May 27 07:44:44 -0700 2005
From: simon
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 07:44:44 -0700
Subject: UserOptions vandel deterance
Message-ID: <20050527074444-0700@zwiki.org>
In-Reply-To: <20050526152457-0700@zwiki.org>

It would indeed, in fact the page management controls worked that way for a long time. Back then I found it was too obscure, people never saw page management functions as a result.

From simon Fri May 27 07:48:23 -0700 2005
From: simon
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 07:48:23 -0700
Subject: UserOptions vandel deterance
Message-ID: <20050527074823-0700@zwiki.org>
In-Reply-To: <20050527074444-0700@zwiki.org>

PS you can just uncomment a line in the template to bring it back. diffform could be customized similarly. In the latest code there is a slightly clearer alias to use: 'here/userIsIdentified'.

From simon Fri May 27 07:58:54 -0700 2005
From: simon
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 07:58:54 -0700
Subject: skin updates
Message-ID: <20050527075854-0700@zwiki.org>

FYI, a general heads-up about last weekend's changes in darcs: it was a big cleanup of skin templates, in particular wikipage_macros was merged into wikipage and is no more. Also the standard directory has been renamed to zwiki_standard for plone friendliness, and some styles and macros have been renamed/removed. 

I think you will have to update your customized templates at some point - but not right away. I believe I have kept complete backward compatibiliity for now, but it seems unnecessarily expensive - to my eye, if not to the profiler - and I think we should probably drop it in a release or two.

See http://zwiki.org/repos/ZWiki/CHANGES.txt and the changes link on FrontPage for full details.

A question I have is whether and how much to inline macros in the main template vs. keeping them in separate templates. The first is gives a big complicated-looking template, but overall I think it's simpler and easier for customizers to understand; it also duplicates code making development harder. The second gives a simpler-looking main template and doesn't bother customizers with the internals of comment form, rating form etc. Currently I have comment form and page management form inlined and the rating form separate. 


From Nikolai Mon May 30 10:11:15 -0700 2005
From: Nikolai
Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 10:11:15 -0700
Subject: Threaded Discussion
Message-ID: <20050530101115-0700@zwiki.org>

Hi everyone :-)
Is it possible to have replies to comments attached to the comment? 
Or to have some discussion trees even? 

From Nikolai Mon May 30 10:14:58 -0700 2005
From: Nikolai
Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 10:14:58 -0700
Subject: Restructured Text
Message-ID: <20050530101458-0700@zwiki.org>

We use restructured text at our wiki but always get docutils info strings when inlining links. 

  Docutils System Messages
  
  System Message: INFO/1 (<string>, line 7)
  External hyperlink target "google" is not referenced.
  
  System Message: INFO/1 (<string>, line 8)
  External hyperlink target "google scholar" is not referenced.

Does someone have an idea how to turn them off?



Archived GeneralDiscussion.


comments:

wiki symposium in october --Simon Michael, Tue, 03 May 2005 12:57:43 -0700 reply
http://snipsnap.org/space/2005+International+Symposium+on+Wikis

wiki symposium in october --DeanG, Wed, 04 May 2005 08:39:53 -0700 reply
Anyone going?

Overzealous Googlebot --DeanG, Fri, 06 May 2005 14:21:42 -0700 reply
Has any Zwiki been bit by this? http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2005/05/google_web_acce_1.html

Overzealous Googlebot --d2m, Sun, 08 May 2005 00:29:38 -0700 reply
if not, it would not harm to check for the HTTP_X_MOZ header before serving the page ( see http://david.backpackit.com/pub/37983 )

Jakob likes the Search button --DeanG, Mon, 09 May 2005 09:24:39 -0700 reply
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20050509.html -- "Summary: Users now have precise expectations for the behavior of search. Designs that invoke this mental model but work differently are confusing. Search is such a prominent part of the Web user experience that users have developed a firm mental model for how it's supposed to work. Users expect search to have three components:

  • A box where they can type words
  • A button labeled "search" that they click to run the search
  • A list of top results that's linear, prioritized, and appears on a new page -- the search engine results page (SERP) "

This one cropped up in my area, too (rollout time, not in reaction to this article). Added a magnifying glass to reduce header noise. Removed ""=all search functionality.

XTech2005? - Prescod on Wiki and XML --DeanG, Tue, 17 May 2005 06:18:44 -0700 reply
`Paul Prescod will explain how to join the creative chaos of a wiki with the semantic structure of XML documents. ` - http://usefulinc.com/edd/blog/contents/2005/05/17-xtech-preview/read

work hour today --simon, Fri, 20 May 2005 07:29:20 -0700 reply
Zwiki work hour on #zwiki at 1000 PDT today! That's 2.5 hours from now. Come and help if you can. I have 15 minute, half hour and hour tasks to hand out. #zwiki and chat client links are at http://zwiki.org/FrontPage .

work hour in progress --simon, Fri, 20 May 2005 10:16:30 -0700 reply
Welcome to the ZwikiWorkHour?, do not hesitate to step forward to #zwiki if you want to make something happen in Zwiki Land in the next 45 minutes :)

testing --simon, Sun, 22 May 2005 17:22:15 -0700 reply
HowToMakeContentsExpandable is installed on zwiki.org again for testing, though not yet working for me.

#1108 harmonise CSS class and macro names (new) --Simon Michael, Sun, 22 May 2005 17:30:11 -0700 reply
simon wrote:

As part of skins cleanup, I'd like to harmonise the CSS class and page template macro names. This might mean renaming some of the classes. People with customised skins please let me know if you think this would be a problem. -- forwarded from http://zwiki.org/1108HarmoniseCSSClassAndMacroNames#msg20050522172929-0700@zwiki.org

Migrating to Zwiki -- Mon, 23 May 2005 15:25:05 -0700 reply
We have two wiki servers (one zwiki and other twiki) on that maintain our documents/pages. Since it is always better to have all similar stuff at one place, we decided to move to zwiki (since this has a lot more pages and used by a lot more people in our company). Does anyone know what is the best way to move pages from our twiki servers to zwiki servers. Does someone have to manually copy all the pages and check formatting etc, or is there is a better way.

Thanks, Gaurav

Migrating to Zwiki --Bob McElrath?, Mon, 23 May 2005 15:30:07 -0700 reply
anonymous [zwiki-wiki@zwiki.org]? wrote:

We have two wiki servers (one zwiki and other twiki) on that maintain our documents/pages. Since it is always better to have all similar stuff at one place, we decided to move to zwiki (since this has a lot more pages and used by a lot more people in our company). Does anyone know what is the best way to move pages from our twiki servers to zwiki servers. Does someone have to manually copy all the pages and check formatting etc, or is there is a better way.

As far as I know there is no automatic program to convert from TWiki syntax to ZWiki syntax. Though it looks like they are very similar. One could probably write a script to convert your pages en masse. (Please share if you do!)

As for getting them into zwiki, the ZServer? has an ftp back-end, so you can copy them all at once with FTP (assuming you have them as text files from TWiki).

Migrating to Zwiki --nachtigall, Tue, 24 May 2005 00:41:12 -0700 reply
Maybe this helps: http://diberri.dyndns.org/html2wiki.html (this is just the frontend to a perl lib). Maybe you could take the TWiki html output and convert it.

Migrating to Zwiki --Simon Michael, Wed, 25 May 2005 10:26:58 -0700 reply
Bob McElrath? wrote:

As for getting them into zwiki, the ZServer? has an ftp back-end, so you can copy them all at once with FTP (assuming you have them as text files from TWiki).

Only if you figure out how to make FTP create zwiki pages instead of dtml documents. I know it can be done, if you find out please update http://zwiki.org/HowToCreateZwikiPagesWithPut

UserOptions? vandel deterance --DeanG, Thu, 26 May 2005 15:24:57 -0700 reply
I like the no links without UserOptions? set. Would that just as easily apply to: Page footer controls and DIFF controls?

site outage --simon, Fri, 27 May 2005 07:43:32 -0700 reply
Disk had filled up again leading to ioerrors on zwiki.org. I have cleaned up and installed a monitor script that will warn me when it gets low.

UserOptions? vandel deterance --simon, Fri, 27 May 2005 07:44:44 -0700 reply
It would indeed, in fact the page management controls worked that way for a long time. Back then I found it was too obscure, people never saw page management functions as a result.

UserOptions? vandel deterance --simon, Fri, 27 May 2005 07:48:23 -0700 reply
PS you can just uncomment a line in the template to bring it back. diffform could be customized similarly. In the latest code there is a slightly clearer alias to use: here/userIsIdentified.

skin updates --simon, Fri, 27 May 2005 07:58:54 -0700 reply
FYI, a general heads-up about last weekend's changes in darcs: it was a big cleanup of skin templates, in particular wikipage_macros was merged into wikipage and is no more. Also the standard directory has been renamed to zwiki_standard for plone friendliness, and some styles and macros have been renamed/removed.

I think you will have to update your customized templates at some point - but not right away. I believe I have kept complete backward compatibiliity for now, but it seems unnecessarily expensive - to my eye, if not to the profiler - and I think we should probably drop it in a release or two.

See http://zwiki.org/repos/ZWiki/CHANGES.txt and the changes link on FrontPage for full details.

A question I have is whether and how much to inline macros in the main template vs. keeping them in separate templates. The first is gives a big complicated-looking template, but overall I think it's simpler and easier for customizers to understand; it also duplicates code making development harder. The second gives a simpler-looking main template and doesn't bother customizers with the internals of comment form, rating form etc. Currently I have comment form and page management form inlined and the rating form separate.

Threaded Discussion --Nikolai, Mon, 30 May 2005 10:11:15 -0700 reply
Hi everyone :-) Is it possible to have replies to comments attached to the comment? Or to have some discussion trees even?

Restructured Text --Nikolai, Mon, 30 May 2005 10:14:58 -0700 reply
We use restructured text at our wiki but always get docutils info strings when inlining links.

Docutils System Messages

System Message: INFO/1 (, line 7) External hyperlink target "google" is not referenced.

System Message: INFO/1 (, line 8) External hyperlink target "google scholar" is not referenced.

Does someone have an idea how to turn them off?